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From: Leo (
Subject: bjiasejf
Date: February 7, 2003 at 10:14 pm PST

In Reply to: i agree... posted by balance808 on February 7, 2003 at 1:38 pm:

Certainly these are all hypothetical situations-- none of which are war or revence.

Apparently someone seems to think I am saying war is revenge. Again, I said war has no rules. War can take the form of revenge or it may not. However, in human history, I feel that vengeance and imperialism (and racism), not self-defence, is the blood of war. Just look at the ancient Greeks and the Odyssey... or look at what we did to the native Americans. Stop looking at us, look at terrorism, you don't think that is vengeance and revence and racism? Although I am sure they feel that they are acting in self-defence. What about the Spanish American war, (I think the one where Threau got put in jail for not supporting?) The United States caused the death of Osama's daughter.. couldn't he have revenge as a motive? Ever see the movie full metal jacket? The public thinks everything is self-defence but I'm sorry to tell you that there are those who use that as their ticket to go blow people up and kill them out of sheer excitement and disregard for life. Since I intercept international signals, I see the pictures that get sent and some of those pictures, the ones from hotspots, are so greusome and utterly subhuman. In order to participate in those things, it takes shutting off your conscious basically. Of course, now we take refuge in our big machines-- our tanks and all, we pretend we don't see what we are doing. Sadly enough, not had I DID say it may be a "necissary evil"-- however that in no way justifies it as a good! No ammount of "self-defence" would make me the stuff I've heard.

In the Civil war, I guess soldiers just raped and pilliaged. They set homes on fire, robbed the homes. They simply had no conscious and used their sences of revenge/hate as liscence. A sence of self-defence cannot make a person rape/pilliage and burn people's homes.

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