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From: flow (
Subject:         is this correct
Date: April 20, 2015 at 9:10 am PST

In Reply to: Re: you did not answer ONE question that i asked posted by temp on April 20, 2015 at 8:49 am:

tell me if i have this correct or not.
it still seems like you haven't answered one
question so i may need to guess here, but you tell

1. you disagree with the sterility idea being the
primary cause of b12 problems. that seems clear. if
you look to item 4. below you will see evidence
supporting my position regarding the environmental
sterility issue. this is not a big issue for me and
i have no interest in debating it with you. the
primary question i have is item 2 below.

2. my other question is this: are you saying it is
impossible for vegans to get sufficient DHA, vitamin
D, taurine, zinc, carnitine (you have added
carnitine now), iodine. please just answer this
question. note the word impossible. i am not saying
that some people may not be getting enough. i am
asking if your claim is that it is impossible. that
no vegan can get these nutrients. if you are
claiming that for only some of those, just say what
those are.

don't go down below this until you answer the above
two questions.


3. please explain your friend gosia and her health
status. presumably she has been a vegan for many
years and only supplemented with b12. are you
claiming she is deficient in taurine, zinc,
carnitine, dha, vitamin d ?

>Well firstly this is just COMPLETE assumption from
her part. She is not basing her theory on any
science or data whatsoever. It is purely her
assumption and romantic theory that we'd get all the
B12 we need eating soiled veggies etc.

4. here is some science. search in pubmed for a
study on fruit bats and b12. they have similar
metabolic pathways for b12 and higher b12 needs than
humans. the study showed that bats in nature that
eat only fruit get enough b12. they really eat just
fruit. they do not eat insects. then when fed
cultivated fruit, they became deficient. this
supports my position. if you are not interested in
accepting data, then i do not believe that your
position is being logically held and subject to
falsification. in other words, if you are going to
dismiss every thing i say because you don't wish to
change your view, then what is the purpose of
sharing information?

>Tell that to the thousands of people who grow their
own organic plant foods in high quality mineral rich
soil and still suffer from B12 deficiency as a

you are submitting a statement without any data.
please try to provide a basis for your statements
otherwise i must ignore the statement.

finally i see no reason to debate b12 since i think
1. it is caused by sterile environment
2. one should supplement

we don't need to agree. doesn't matter to me

it's the other nutrients claims you are making that
i am more interested in.

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