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Subject:         Re: Eat raw, keep your brain, grow your heart
Date: April 14, 2015 at 8:14 am PST

In Reply to: Re: Eat raw, keep your brain, grow your heart posted by Dr Gosia O'Reilly on April 14, 2015 at 5:21 am:

Hey Dr. Gosia,

I appreciate you taking the time to respond :).

I might break this into 2 posts as its alot of text, hard to quote on here.

GOSIA - "As far as 30bad, I really do not think what we observed was merely a result of a "vegan diet". The health issues that people were reporting were very unusual, as was the scale of it. My friend Heather collapsed and ended up in ER after following 30bad recommendations for a couple of years. Who ends up in ER after doing a vegan diet? "

TEMP - We have to look at this from a nutritional perspective.

There is a massive difference in the nutritional composition of a mixed cooked/raw vegan diet that typically contains generous amounts of foods like beans, legumes, grains, nuts, seeds, tofu/soy, a great range of vegetables, fruits and so on.

Then we have the 30 BAD diet which consisted mostly of just fruit, a salad green such as romaine lettuce and a few nuts/seeds weekly and even then these people often went to another extreme by severely reducing or eliminating overt fat rich foods completely from the diet such as nuts and seeds. Bad move...

When you have removed so many food groups such as with 30BAD or a raw vegan 80/10/10 diet then nuts and seeds become absolutely vital sources of many nutrients such as minerals, fatty acids and even a dense source of protein to help balance blood sugar levels.

The only saving grace with a diet so extreme such as 30BAD and raw vegan is that most aren't physiologically able to handle even eating such way for a single day. Most simply have too much trouble balancing their blood sugar with such a low protein diet. Its an inbuilt safety feature which stops most from ending up in ER and collapsing from these extreme raw diets.

You will find very few individuals, if any these days who claim to be able to sustain a 100% raw vegan diet long term without including some cooked or animal foods.

As such i don't feel an all strict raw vegan is ever sustainable or safe to follow. Just my 2 cents however, doesn't mean im right.

GOSIA - Diets that do not require any supplements sound great. How practical would it be?

TEMP - I think that a healthy diet without supplements is easily achievable personally, i mean until the fad of veganism and raw came along we have managed to sustain ourselves without the latest vegan microalgaes or even vitamin b12 supplements.

Diets such as the greek mediterranean diet, are both nutritionally complete/balanced and contain a wealth of research on their longevity health benefits.

The mediterranean diet requires no supplements as standard, is clinically proven in regards to safety/health benefits and is a majority plant-food based diet.

In my opinion supplements should be to supplement an already nutritionally complete diet, not to substitute or supply basic essential nutrients that a healthy varied diet is meant to provide naturally.

If supplements such as vitamin B12 were banned for generic sale outwidth treating deficiency, then the vegan diet trial would be finished over-night. That alone to me suggests something not quite right with eating strict plant based vegan diets.

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