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Subject:         Re: Could you please specify what is "low" or "normal" cholesterol?
Date: November 19, 2014 at 3:50 am PST

In Reply to: Could you please specify what is posted by MM on November 19, 2014 at 12:01 am:

The following levels are generally regarded as desirable and the common recommendation for cholesterol.

Could they be lower in some areas, sure probably, but again i don't worry too much about cholesterol. Inflammatory and other metabolic markers are much more important to me, because i know cholesterol is not a reliable indicator of predicting heart disease, plus my blood tests excel these levels for cholesterol, always have done and ive never had poor cholesterol levels, despite eating cholesterol rich foods, dietary cholesterol doesn't tend to significantly raise cholesterol levels in the majority of healthy individuals:

Total cholesterol (TChol) - 5.0 mmol/L or less. However, about 2 in 3 adults in the UK have a TChol level of 5.0 mmol/L or above.
LDL cholesterol after an overnight fast: 3.0 mmol/L or less.
HDL cholesterol: 1.2 mmol/L or more.
TChol/HDL ratio: 4.5 or less. That is, your TChol divided by your HDL cholesterol. This reflects the fact that for any given TChol level, the more HDL, the better.

Here is an article on saturated fat and heart disease -

In the meantime, "recent prospective cohort studies have not supported any significant association between saturated fat intake and cardiovascular risk," and "Instead, saturated fat has been found to be protective," he adds.

The article also mentions something that applies to 80/10/10s and many raw vegans, because they consume lower levels of protein and fat, what macronutrient do you think is used in substitute, yep more SUGAR. Which we know sugar is a disaster for metabolic health and developing other serious health problems, when consumed in excessive quantities daily.

You have some 80/10/10ers eating 200-300g extra grams of sugar daily and wondering why their gaining weight on such diet or why they have elevated blood triglycerides(blood fats). Ironic to have high blood fat levels like many high carb, low fat vegans do, considering you guys are so scared of fats.

So whilst your staunchly against saturated fats, cholesterol, salt in all forms and many other dietary elements, you like many other 80/10/10ers seem to be completely ok with consuming excessive SUGAR/CARBOHYDRATE intake ? Which has been proven time and time again to be terrible for healthy, no wonder these high carb, low fat raw gurus only last a week on the diet lol.

You mis-represent the research from the likes of T Colin Cam, which is done on cooked COMPLEX carbohydrate diets, not SIMPLE SUGAR FRUCTOSE RICH DIETS, which are often very poorly nutritionally balanced.

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