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From: K (173.16.196.184)
Subject:         Re: My Zinc and Copper yesterday + fairytale ideas on nutrition + questionable high fruit diets
Date: November 18, 2014 at 12:24 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: My Zinc and Copper yesterday + fairytale ideas on nutrition + questionable high fruit diets posted by temp on November 15, 2014 at 2:32 am:

Bill Clinton didn't "need" to "add fish back into his diet", he WANTED to. I heard the interview with him about it.
"you are purposely trying to mis-represent these individuals research here for your own strict raw vegan beliefs"---you must read posts more accurately. What I said, and was referring to, was you statement that "veganism doesn't work". I absolutely was not using Esselstyn and Campbell to justify raw veganism. I used their example because you made a blanket statement about veganism.

Another blanket statement of yours: "But the main question is, are these diets sustainable and healthy in the long term ? We see clearly that they aren't for most individuals." Show me the data. Show me what the people in your "data" are eating. If people eat over 10% fat, and upwards of 30% and more that most people do, you are going to have trouble eating carbs--starches or fruits. So people blame it on the "sugars"--fruits and starches--when it is actually the high fat content that is to blame.

"Show me some 5-10-20+ year plus studies that these diets are still healthy and sustainble"--Check out T. Colin Campbell's books for studies, and Esselstyn has many stories of people he's worked with eating the no fat, high carb diet, healthfully since the mid-80's. Thousands upon thousands of people healthfully eat a vegan diet, cooked and raw. Just as many who are minimal meat and fat eaters have healthy diets. I'm not arguing that there can't be healthy meat-eaters. Veganism DOES work if it is done intelligently--consulting with health practitioners who are well-versed in the nutritional needs and how to get them in a vegan diet.

Eating vegan, whether cooked or raw, is difficult to do intelligently and healthfully. When it is done in such a way, it is the best way of eating for not only health, but the planet. You must do your research on the very negative carbon foot-print of the animal food industry. And please read Dr's. Esselstyn and Campbell before assuming you know their work.

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