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Subject:         Re: My Zinc and Copper yesterday + fairytale ideas on nutrition + questionable high fruit diets
Date: November 15, 2014 at 3:48 am PST

In Reply to: Re: My Zinc and Copper yesterday + fairytale ideas on nutrition + questionable high fruit diets posted by temp on November 15, 2014 at 2:32 am:

Temp wrote:

"Ohh the same Dr. Esselstynís, who believes that total cholesterol is the biological marker for developing heart disease.

This is extremely out-dated 1980s research we are talking about here, we have known for a long time that cholesterol isn't the true culprit in the development of heart disease, which we now know is arterial inflammation. In fact even saturated fats aren't a true factor and they have being completely and unwarrantly villainized by vegan nutritionists".

I say:

If people want to listen to a clever board certified cardiologist who actually knows a thing or two about fats and cholesterol that is up to date with the current research, look no further than Dr Stephen Sinatra.

Here is what he says on cholesterol:

btw, the medical research does back up everything he is saying. He is a really smart man when it comes to nutrition also...leaves Esselstyn miles behind.

Temp wrote:

"In fact many of these vegan doctors are against fruit in large amounts or basing the diet around fruit"

I say:

As John Mc Dougal calls it, "the sugar diet". I see very few people do well on these diets, namely because it seems to create poor mood or agression among many l observe online. I am certainly not the only person to have reported this....Dan the Man and Dr Wilson has also reported this, and so have other people l know. I am not against fruit, just get it ripe, FRESH and eat it as a snack for most people. Some people seem to thrive and have good mood on high fruit diets, but they seem to be very few and far between...most seem very on edge.


But the main question is, are these diets sustainable and healthy in the long term ? We see clearly that they aren't for most individuals.

I say:

Exactly. Can raw vegan diets be healthy?...l say yes, but not the way most people are doing them. It's time to get honest and look at what is happening and try doing things much MUCH better than we currently are.

We see so many people failing on raw vegan diets, yet people keep on going down the same path as people previously thinking they will be different.

Why are people failing all the time, and what could we be doing better? Are people actually asking these questions??? I have asked myself these questions for a long time and have dissected the vegan diet and l believe l have come a long way in finding answers, but does anyone ever want to listen to anything l say or most other people, no! lol...people just want to follow their gurus and just want to continue eating fruit and vegetables and it doesn't matter if nearly everyone fails because no-one wants to think about it because it is too painful to think about for vegan dreamers. That is the thing...vegans are BIG dreamers and they don't want their bubble burst.'s time we had our bubble burst and started to wake up...i've had my raw food bubble burst plenty of times and it's made me learn and be better at what l do. We need to stop running away from the issues like scared little children and get serious about the diet for once.

The word vegan brings with it a lot of baggage in the public. Has anyone ever asked themselves why? We don't help ourselves as a group...we project a very poor image as a sub culture. We are very egotystical, we act like we are very poorly educated, we don't use much logic as a group because we are dreamers, and we can act all crazy and self righteous - none of this is helping us succeed or developing respect in the community. I am not the only one saying this...lots of people know this. We can do so much better than what we are doing.

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