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From: John Rose (
Subject:         Re: Pregnancy and 80/10/10
Date: October 9, 2014 at 5:29 pm PST

In Reply to: Pregnancy and 80/10/10 posted by Olga on October 8, 2014 at 12:15 pm:

Here's an old post from Katie...
Re: going raw while pregnant.......
Katie (
Date: 12-27-01 12:41


I went raw 6 months ago in the 9th week of pregnancy. I am so glad I did. I didn't just cold turkey it though!

I found this list, and John Rose replied to my first post. He was wonderful, very patient with me, and gave me lots of good pointers to get started on, and some advice during my first couple of months. Of course no one can take responsibility for another health, it has to be a personal decision.

I had been mostly vegan (I still ate butter) 50% raw for 8 ˝ to 9 years, and had had 5 successful pregnancies with strong healthy vegan babies during that time. I tried going raw during the last 8 years, but didn't know how to balance my nutrition, so failed repeatedly. I would always get very sick, go through excruciating pain, and drop massive amounts of weight.

I would have to say the biggest hole in my nutrition was that I wasn't including any dark leafy greens in my raw diet. The next two were probably not enough fats/oils, or calories.

This time with John Rose's advice I made the transition smoothly. I actually gained some much needed weight from the first week, and my energy climbed, and MS and hypoglycemia symptoms just vanished!

I will try to find the post John sent me with the diet suggestions for pregnancy. I also read a book by David Wolfe, The Sunfood Diet Success System which was really helped me round out my diet.

These posts got me started
Katie (
Date: 12-27-01 13:05

Here are the posts that got me started. There are also more good posts under pregnancy back in the Other Health Related Discussions forum, here on the Living and Live Food List. If you go back 180 days on your search there are a bunch of them.

Hope this helps, Katie

Hey Katie,

Obviously, the better you eat, the healthier your baby will be. It's also obvious that raw foods, especially green leafy veggies, are the most nutrient dense foods calorie for calorie. Unfortunately, there are not many calories in green leafy veggies, which is why you need to add green blended soups and green juices along with your salads.

Since you don't have that much experience at 100% raw, you may need to add some cooked vegetables to slow down any possible detox and to ensure an acceptable transition. You know your body better than anyone else, so go at your own pace, but make the transition as rapidly as you can.

Remember, pregnant women need about 30 extra grams of protein, which should bring your total protein intake close to ~70 grams. Pay close attention to your weight during this pregnancy and increase your intake of greens (juices, blended soups, and salads), nuts, cooked vegetables, and fruits if your weight begins to drop. The greens and the nuts will provide you with adequate protein, the nuts and the cooked vegetables should slow down or stop the detox, and the fruit will keep your carbohydrate fuel full for your energy needs and to be sure that you don't lose any lean body mass or waste any protein from your diet. If you have any trouble meeting your protein needs, try adding some spirulina, which has almost 8 grams of protein per tbs.

As for breastfeeding, your child will probably get more toxins from you when you are toxic and not cleansing then when you are cleansing. If your baby develops a rash while breastfeeding and you are eating cooked food, you could always go on a cleanse and see what happens . Likewise, if you are eating 100% raw and your baby develops a rash while breastfeeding, you could then add some cooked food back into your diet and judge for yourself which is best.

I have a real good feeling that you will do much better this time around . Be sure to keep us all posted with your progress.

Peace and Love..............John


Here is the post that really got me started. I only used the green soup for about 3 or 4 days, and then couldn't stomach it any more. So I went to 1 pound of greens as green drink, and 1 pound as salad. Not only did this amount of greens give me a smooth pain free detox, and eliminate most of my cravings, it also gave me more energy, took away my killer morning sickness 100%, and started me gaining weight from the first week. Best wishes for you and your baby, Katie

Hi Katie,

This is Ann Wigmore's recipe for her green blended soup, which she called her Energy Soup:
Here's the Energy Soup Recipe by Dr. Ann Wigmore

This is the easiest healthiest quickest meal on earth!

Blend in your blender or food processor, using water or unpasteurized apple juice as the base:

5 cups of home-grown baby greens – 3-4 teaspoons of dry seed, grown for five days – with my home-built automatic sprouter, you get a new tray of greens every day on rotation;

1-2 cups of bean sprouts – one-third cup of dry beans, grown for 2-3 days – alternate daily between mung, lentil and green pea (beans grow well in sprouter, or in jars or hemp bags);

half to one avocado – for its clean mono-unsaturated fat (like olive oil) with no cholesterol, and rich in enzymes – avocado "savorizes" the greens;

one apple – for sweetness, and to help digest all the proteins;

2 tablespoons of seaweed – for its 60+ minerals and trace minerals, like iodine for thyroid – alternate daily between dulse, kelp and black nori (the raw seaweeds).

Ann Wigmore advised it's best to blend with home-made Rejuvelac, instead of water (a fermented wheatberry drink – ). The high vitamin E in rejuvelac stops nutrients from oxidizing. It's rich too in vitamins B and C, friendly bacteria for your colon, and enzymes for digestion.

Include as optional extras in your blend:

one clove of garlic – a powerful anti-viral, immune system supporter;

extra "produce" greens – for more chlorophyll to cleanse and rebuild your bloodstream and cells – use the dark greens high in beta-carotene and calcium, like kale, collard, dandelion, parsley;

sweeten your children's Energy Soup with a whole food sugar, such as banana, big apple, soaked dried fruit (raisins, dates, currants), apple juice concentrate, or brown rice syrup. In my experience, these don't give cavities (my teeth are my weakest point – I lost five teeth in five years in my early 40's before I switched to Energy Soup and fresh home-grown food).

As far as using pineapple juice in your green drinks you might try using apple juice instead because the pectin in the apple juice will help you assimilate the nutrients in the greens better, and at the same time the pectin will also remove unwanted metals that may be triggering any allergic chemical reactions.

As for calories, the rule of thumb is to take your lean body mass and multiply it by 13.79 to determine your basal metabolic rate or your resting metabolic rate and to this you would add your activity. Pregnant and lactating women also need to add 300 and 500 calories, respectively. So in your case, if you weigh 106 pounds and you have ~20% body fat, then 106 times 80% times 13.79 = 1169 calories or ~ 1200. Add to this 300 plus however much activity that you have. Without having any details, I would estimate another 600 calories to this, which brings your total to 2100 calories, and 1500 calories if you sat and watched TV all day.

Another rule of thumb that I use is that fruits have on an average ~20 calories per ounce, vegetables on an average have ~10 calories per ounce, and nuts ~180 calories per ounce. As you can see, vegetables do not have many calories and if all of your 2100 calories came from veggies, you would need over 13 pounds of them, which obviously would be next to impossible to consume in solid form. This is why juicing can be of so much benefit. 13 pounds of veggies will yield almost 7 pints of juice, which would not be hard at all to consume if spread throughout the day.

One more rule of thumb that we can use if we are 100% raw is to get 75% of our calories from fruit, 10% from veggies, and 15% from fat. These %s are needed for the first 2000 calories, but if we need to consume more than this amount because we are more active, then we can increase the fat% in order to minimize the amount of bulk food that we have to process. So for most people who need to consume 2100 calories, they'll need about 78.75 ounces (4.92 lb.) of fruits, 21 ounces (1.31 lb.) of veggies, and 1.75 ounces of nuts. However, since you are pregnant and need an additional 30 grams of protein, I would change these numbers by increasing the veggies from 21 ounces to 32-40 ounces (2-2.5 lb.), which will reduce your fruit intake down to 71.27 ounces (4.45 lb.). If we take an average of 36 ounces of green leaf veggies a day, and consume them in 3 meals, then one meal could be a salad using 12 ounces, another could be the blended soup, and the third could be juiced.

These would be the minimum amounts that I would use if I were pregnant, except I would probably juice another 1 or 2 pounds of veggies just to make sure.

I hope that these basic guidelines will be helpful in your transition for a better life for you and your baby.

Peace and Love........................John

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