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From: The Sproutarian (
Subject:         Re: BRILLIANT POST GARY!!! - vegan problems,lets try and fix it.
Date: October 2, 2014 at 5:58 pm PST

In Reply to: BRILLIANT POST GARY!!! posted by John Rose on October 2, 2014 at 9:57 am:

I LOVED Garry's post, it made me smile from ear to ear. I am a failed fruit eater so l could be all bitter, eh?

Truthfully, the type of thing l promote is never going to be very popular. There are going to be very few people on high fruit diets who will ever want to cross over to my type of diet, so l don't need to put down high fruit diets with the intention of trying to promote my way of eating and getting people to change to my diets. I don't care what diet they do, l just want people to eat a good vegan diet that works for them.

I see many problems with high fruit diets and don't see many doing well in the long term in terms of physical, mental and spiritual health (I read blogs and forums and listen to youtubes so l have a good general idea of the problems). Brian Clement, Gabriel Coisens, myself and others say these high fruit diets are potential killers for most people because we see so many doing so poorly on them.

John...look...if most people were doing well on these diets l would be praising the high fruit diet, but l can't speak well of these type of diets if l read of so many people experiencing health problems on them. Not many people appear to be able to stay vegan either, and this is a huge concern. I doubt l am imagining this, Gabriel has been saying the exact same thing from his observation of vegans over the last 40 years. This is serious stuff John, we can't go and flush this under the carpet.

Various people here are concerned about the problems, so we don't want to get all silly and defensive about stuff...we want to have a proper conversation about this stuff and try to help people so people can stay vegan in the long run without having to go back to animal products.

John, we both are trying to achieve the same goal here, we want people to be able to stay vegan for life.

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