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Subject:         Re: To The Sproutarian - THE METHOD...the new wave
Date: September 22, 2014 at 2:44 am PST

In Reply to: Re: To The Sproutarian - THE METHOD...the new wave posted by The Sproutarian on September 21, 2014 at 5:00 pm:

I'm not even convinced about tree ripened fruit any more.

TSM. In Vancouver where I lived many years ago there were an abundance of trees in peoples open front yards - apples, pears. nectarines, plums, etc where you could eat as much fruit as you liked, and still it didn't satisfy most people. After eating all the fruit they would get stuck into the nuts and dried fruit - not because they hadn't eaten enough, but because the fruit just didn't satisfy them.

I was also lucky enough to live in tropical North Queensland on an organic farm where I could pick the ripe jackfruit straight off the tree, as well as paw paws, bananas and other tropical fruit. It didn't make much difference. Other people I saw living in the tropics were they same. It didn't matter how much they ate, they were just not satisfied and then would go and have vegetarian pizza or whatever.

Here is something interesting. Why if the 2 '' frugivore poster boys '' - the chimpanzees and the Bonobos live in the tropics and have 100% natural fruit that hasn't been tampered with do they still hunt and kill small animals to eat? YOU can't blame their ' downfall ' for eating cooked food as there are no stoves in the dense forests of Africa. Is there something in their diet that doesn't satisfy them 100% and they need some extra solid food to keep them satiated?

The gorilla doesn't fit into the high fruit raw paradigm because they eat mostly greenery of one sort or another so the gorilla is ignored, but the gorilla doesn't hunt down small prey to kill and eat.

Why don't the herbivores like the elephants, rhinos or hippos chase down smaller animals and eat them.
Obviously the high fruit sugar makes some people too highly strung, and that's why they get so aggressive and attack anyone who doesn't share their views.

I do think that by adding large amounts of leafy greens to the fruit people have a better chance of succeeding, but still a difficult ask. Some people succeed on any diet, but if it fails the overwhelming majority, then there are issues with the diet.

Just how highly strung are some 5 minute raw foodists? Here is an example.
Someone once asked Doug if it was ok to eat raw garlic. I usually just lurked, but I chimed in and wrote that ' if you enjoyed eating raw garlic and if it didn't upset you ' then there was no reason not to eat it ' - after all it is 100% raw and 100% vegan. The pack started baying for my blood and wanted me banned, but Doug to his credit said there would be no banning of me.

Their justification for not eating garlic? 80/ 10 /10 Unit 101 - because you can't make a meal out of it in nature. I then asked how many of them make a meal out of a bunch of celery? How many people go out and buy 30 bunches of parsley or kale and have lunch and dinner just with that? There is a lot of nonsense spoken and theories are great, but it's what happens in real life that matters.

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