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Subject:         Re: Are Humans Primates or Aliens??? -
Date: September 19, 2014 at 11:40 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: Are Humans Primates or Aliens??? - posted by The Sproutarian on September 19, 2014 at 6:30 pm:

TSM, you can't talk common sense with these people because they keep shifting the goalposts every time some flaw is pointed out in their Straw man fantasy arguments.

At first we were compared to the chimpanzee. When it was pointed out that chimpanzees sometimes hunt and kill animals as well as eating some insects the argument was shifted to Bonobos. When it's pointed out that Bonobos also eat some raw meat we are told that we don't have to eat the exact same diet - only the frugivore part that suits their argument. Maybe the Bonobos and Chimps need that bit of concentrated food / meat so they are able to survive on their predominantly frugivore diet.

Can someone explain to me at what point in time, and living where were homo sapiens frugivores? In North America? Sweden? The Alps? Tibet? Where was this tropical fruit paradise supposed to be?

In the jungles and forests there are no manicured lawns where there are rows of endless mango trees or whatever where you just go and happily grab your tree ripened fruit. Were humans climbing up to the top of trees and competing with the apes, birds, worms and grubs for the high fruit, or were they just waiting for the low level fruit to drop? The low level fruit would have probably been half eaten and worm and bug infested when it fell to the ground.

I think we were more likely visited by aliens from another galaxy, and their low level beings were probably cross bread with our homo sapiens at some point. Makes much more sense to me why the human race is so diverse. We are now doing IVF with humans successfully, so why is it unreasonable that a far more advanced civilisation didn't do that to early man?

I think there is more to karma than simply relating it to eating animal products ( and I don't believe in karma ). The people on the Sea Shepherd that put themselves between the whales and the Japanese whalers probably wouldn't be vegans, and if they were 100% raw vegans they would most likely be sitting in front of their computer rather than going to the freezing cold Antarctic and risking their lives. The same could be said of the people who were killed in the Amazon and Irian Jaya and the forests of South East Asia trying to save the pristine forests. There is more to being a good person than being an ethical vegan.

Most vegans rely on bananas for their calories. Bananas have a terrible carbon footprint with all their transportation requirements - and the whole chain of people are omnivores. From the people who own the plantations, to the people who grow, pick and pack them, ship them and so on. By relying on bananas the ethical vegans are lining the pockets of an endless conga line of omnivores from the growers to the retail sellers. I would think that the karmic effect of people eating an abundance of bananas would not sit well with whomever is doing the karmic marking, so perhaps ethical vegans should not be eating bananas unless they are locally grown and come from vegan owned plantations.

People can have their own beliefs, but that doesn't mean they are right.

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