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From: The Sproutarian (
Subject:         Re: Sugar is a drug? - Dr Esselstyn - fat - not getting the full story
Date: September 8, 2014 at 11:20 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: Sugar is a drug? posted by MM on September 8, 2014 at 10:12 pm:

You say:

And Esselstyn has shown in a lecture that fruit juice without the fiber causes endothilial damage just like
coffee, oils and animal foods as shown by Dr.
Vogel's work with the B.A.R.T. (Brachial Artery
Restriction Tourniquet Test)

I say (mainly in relation to fat):

The damage leading to these coronary events is now thought to be oxidative stress from higher fat consumption, and Vogel et al stated “The mechanism appears to be oxidative stress because the decrease in Flow Mediated Dilitation was reduced (71%) by the concomitant administration of vitamins C and E. Balsamic vinegar (red wine product) and salad reduced the postprandial impairment in endothelial function to a similar extent (65%).

See, it's not as clear cut as we like to think it is, nor is Dr Esselstyn giving the full picture to the public.

And lets remember that the reduction in postprandial impairment in endothelial function and flow mediated dilitation was only by adminstration of supplements. BUT....even more exciting is the work of E Jeffery when he found that the glucinolate phytochemicals have have a far more powerful and longer lasting indirect antioxidant effect via inducement of phase 2 enzymes compared with any direct adminstration of antioxidant vitaimns A, C and E. Imo this gives us a big clue in relation to the effects of raw foods (especially sprouted foods via super powerful antioxidant phytochemicals) in reducing impairment in endothelial function/. But this is only the beginning of the story, there are sooo many phytochemical antioxidants and other less known nutrients used in reducing oxidative stress and [presumably] reduction in the postprandial impairment in endothelial function and excess fat metabolism etc that they are far to numerous to post here.

Vogel is a wonderful scientist who made many good findings and solutions to some findings, but Dr Esselstyn avoids these solutions for some reason. Dr Esselstyn avoids many scientific findings on fats including some of the biggest studies ever done on fat that go contrary to his ideas, and despite his great reputation for reversing heart disease, many people are now suspicious of his motives for only telling half of the story behind fats.

Fat is such a fascinating subject. So is phytochemicals.

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