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From: MM (
Subject:         Re: My Recommendattion
Date: September 2, 2014 at 9:11 am PST

In Reply to: Re: My Recommendattion posted by Rationalemonger on September 2, 2014 at 6:53 am:


Haven't all the raw food gurus fallen into this
trap? the trap of giving advice without any
scientific evidence?

I know it sounds logical. Eat less calories and one
will lose weight.

But on what basis are you giving that
recommendation/advice? Are you licensed


You do realize that if this individual were to go to
a licensed dietitian or nutritionist (my cousin has
her degree from an accredited school in nutrition
and she would give the exact same advice I did) that
they would tell them the exact same thing?

The raw food guru advice that she is following is
asking her to eat a set 2500-3000 per day REGARDLESS
of her personal daily caloric expenditure and height
and weight.

For example, I burned 2000 calories yesterday
according to my Exerspy. If I ate 2500-3000 calories
yesterday and in fact everyday, then yes I would
gain weight like her.


Are you factoring in the individual's medical


So are you suggesting low thyroid? If she is eating
diet with a modest caloric restriction and she does
not lose weight then yes, it would make sense she
have testing done to rule this out.


Are you factoring that by eating less he/she might
also be compromising on 'nutritious foods' and
losing propoer nutrition in the process?


I would never suggest that someone eat foods that
are not nutrient dense foods. After having plugged
in foods in food tracking databases it is in fact
possible to meet one's daily calorie needs AND
nutritional needs as well if it is properly planned.
Since she is already eating a diet high in raw foods
then she is most likely not going to get any major
deficiencies provided she includes foods with Omega
3's and leafy greens.


What if the individual has an eating disorder? what
if the individual feels better eating less and then
decides to fast periodically?


The person who wrote this post is eating beyond
their daily expenditure clearly or they wouldn't be
gaining weight. I am suggest a 500 calorie a day
deficit which would result in a one pound weight
loss per week. This is hardly deprivation and is
what they will hear at any hospital or from any
dietitian or nutritionist. It is very conservative
advice and is NOT recommending nor asking one to
fast--in fact, quite the opposite. To read into my
advice that there was the recommendation is a strech
to say the least.


I mean there could be so many ifs and buts and I
know you cannot factor everything in.


Of course not. But the woman has to eat, is already
eating and is gaining weight. Asking her to eat
slightly less is not going to make the world stop
revolving. People do it all the time. If health
problems ensue, then yes she should seek out care
for those from a practitioner that she feels
comfortable with.


BUT WHY GIVE advice like every other self nominated
raw food guru and charlatan?


Because she came on this board asking for some?


I know this is a support group but the way people
recommend and give advice it seems like it is coming
from experts who have spent years doing scientific
study, trials, research which is definitely not the

Time for me to make a recommendation - I recommend
everyone who wishes to give nutrition advice
highlight if he/she has the license to do so. If
not, STOP.


I work as a personal trainer and give this type of
advice all day long. No one seems to have a problem
with it except those who don't want to give up their
Twinkies and Dong Dongs. :)


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