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Subject:         Re: MM, please respond to this first paragraph of my post
Date: September 2, 2014 at 12:10 am PST

In Reply to: MM, please respond to this first paragraph of my post posted by lurker on September 1, 2014 at 11:07 pm:


Do you believe your school is accredited, and do
you believe it is justified to call yourself a
naturopathic doctor when no proper field work,
residency, or lab experiments is performed;


If you are referring to me, I knew UNH was not
accredited when I signed up with them nor did it
matter to me. I do not call myself a naturopathic
doctor nor was I aiming to be one. My degree is in
holistic nutrition.

My business name "The Fruit Doctor" is tongue-in-
cheek" and is meant to conjure up the "an apple a
day keeps the doctor away" meaning--FRUIT is the
actual doctor, not me. I make recipes every Saturday
morning in a farmer's market stall out of the
produce they grow and have never had anyone that
stopped by have a problem with my business name.
Most think it's clever and cute and I just had a
little girl this last weekend say her knick-name was
"Fruit Fly". When I describe what I do to people I
say I am a personal trainer and have a degree in
nutrition and I teach recipe classes and give
lectures on how to reverse type 2 diabetes, etc.

when I went to a networking luncheon the other day,
a man who sat next to me had his degree in nutrition
science from an "accredited" school and proceeded to
order fried buffalo wings for his lunch.

At the end of the day, I think people want results.
And we all knwo that many doctors, nurses and
nutritionists/dietitians are not getting or giving
results. In fact, at the health club I worked at as
a personal trainer, I had a couple nurses as clients
who said that I changed their life and they were
grateful for the science I showed them and they were
going to refer all their nurse friends to me. One
was a breast cancer survivor and said that The China
Study gave her new hope. She was fed up with the
medical "answers" after having had multiple
surgeries and said there was persistent bulling
among the nurses towards one another.


In addition, what should be a prestigious title is
nothing more than an online diploma and


I do not use the title "Dr." in front of my name
like David Klein does nor will I. That is reserved
only for medical doctors.


How do you justify this? I suppose
this may be more common with internet schooling
in current times, but hands-on learning in
established universities is what sets apart
excellence from quackery.


Yes, my plant-based certificate was also done online
via e-Cornell. Dr. Campbell didn't seem to feel that
this mode of learning diminished the information.
What I learned in the UNH courses about cognitive
therapy, and how emotional states affect our health
was invaluable. It's called Psychoimmunoneurology
and we learn a lot about the mind/body connection
something that most "hygienists" nor medical doctors
are addressing nor being good role models for.

Almost all of what I have learned about NVC has
been either over the phone or via online lectures.
This is definitely where many universities are

As for lab work, I am not qualified in such work
since as you pointed out, they were not part of my
schooling thus I always tell my clients to have
their doctors adjust their meds. My clients; doctors
have no problem with my business name nor in
referring people to my recipe classes because they
have seen how my recommendations have brought their
patient's blood work into range so that they have
come off of their diabetes medications and mood
stabilizers and such.

In fact, I have a personal friend who is a D.O. and
he wanted to form a business partnership with me
based on lifestyle medicine where he would do the
blood work and he would adjust the medications and
he would do co-consults with me (his words not mine)
with his patients and bill insurance for this and
refer them to me to teach them the recipes and do
the personal training/exercise and stress relief
portion with them and then they would periodically
check back in with him to reassess their lab work to
make sure they were on the right track. There is a
cardiologist in Houston Texas who is doing the exact
same paradigm. My physician friend is the first to
admit that he had ZERO exposure to nutrition in his
medical schooling and yet has mountains of debt to
show for it. HE in no way has diminished respect for
my schooling nor has a problem wtth my business name

I was asked by a fellow personal trainer who had her
nutrition degree via an "accredited" university what
the difference was between my degree and hers. I
told her about Dr. Michael Gregor's video where he
talks about how the ADA (American Dietetic
ASsociation who accredits and registers Dieticians
and sets their curriculum in schools) has had donors
from Wrigley's, Hersheys, the Egg Industry and many
other food companies and that they regularly hand
out "educational brochures" to dietitians at trade
shows. Another popular vegan dietitian, Brenda
Davis, said in a talk she gave that the dairy
industry would come and take them on "field trips"
and give the educational materials while she was in

The gal I worked with said "Oh that's why they
showed us a study in class but then said "we're
going to recommend the opposite" and at the time it
didn't make sense to her but when she heard about
the industry funding, then it made sense. So having
a nutrition degree from an "accredited" university
does NOT guarantee excellence nor anti-quackery
because, as we all well know, most nutritionists
today are recommending a non-plant based diet and in
fact are recommending ketogenic diets or paleo diets
to diabetics and those with other various ailments
which contribute to and in make WORSE the very
conditions that they are supposedly helping.

So I'm sure you can see that none of the sources
from my degree although were influenced by industry
money, but we all know that there were other as
serious flaws with some of the coursework authors as
two of the courses centered around Doug's books.


We all know that there
is no real recognition with a Natural Hygiene
school. Please illuminate this for us.


First of all, and I told David Klein this today, I
do not wish to be associated with Natural Hygiene. I
am embarrassed by the conduct and antiquated beliefs
of some of these "hygienists" and do not wish to
affiliate myself with them. My Youtube channel page
video says I wish to "update" hygiene, but after
interacting with so many of them online, it's clear
that it's more of a religion to them and I disagree
with so much of it's ideas like water fasting and am
even questioning some of their teachings on
contagion. Organic gardening has taught me that
plants CAN in fact "catch" something from another
plant an thus I want to study that some more...

That said, I do feel that Hygiene is far and above
medicine in recognizing some very basic things. And
the line between many of what hygiene teaches and
what many lifestyle medical doctors are teaching is
becoming more and more blurred.

The medical doctor I referred to in Houston
recommends juice fasting to some of his more serious
heart disease clients. And more and more doctors are
recognizing rest and exercise over drugs and

Surgery has it's place: certainly in trauma care,
repairing birth defects and in advanced diseases
that are overwhelming the body.

However, it shouldn't be the knee-jerk first
recommendation for everybody like it is today. For
example, in the State of California a woman's chance
of getting a hysterectomy before she dies if 50%. I
have a hard time believing that that many women NEED
a hysterectomy.

That said, I think most doctors I talk to are glad
to have someone like me to refer patients to to teah
them HOW to make the lifestyle recommendations that
they have neither the time nor the know-how how to

Hope that helps. Peace.

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