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Date sent: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:36:36 -0800
It never ceases to amaze us as to the hypocricy of the Vegan or
Vegetarian community. This is why we believe in kindness, compassion,
and the golden rule rather than calling ourselves Vegan. However,
we also believe in standing up for what's right and not holding
back when people need to be told off. We found your "dream
come true" on Whole Foods rather amusing and hypocritical
to say the least. First, let us make it abundantly clear that we
are not against companies making profits for running a thriving
contributing enterprise. We dont live on Mars and realize that co-ops,
no matter how wonderful some are---are a non-force and scarce entity
in the food industry. But your ra-ra "dream come true"
give 'em a front page treatment ---attittude towards Whole Foods
and all the Bagley support crap was just too much to ignore. This
is a store that in many locations has a lobster tank. Now tell us---do
you know what that is for? Wanna know what happens to those babies
when dropped into hot water alive? Think it's like an LA Hottub?
Wanna know how they are wrapped when they leave the store. You are
hypocrites to the tenth power as is Bagley. They also carry Veal.
(yeah Im sure...it's the kind...more humane raised veal...sing your
song to someone else) Again, you all are hypocrites. This is a store
that adds plenty of misery, pain, fear, sufferring, and death to
plenty of animals and you go wild over them and even put them as
a main headline on the front page. If they were pure evil---we'd
fight them and not shop there. But the reality is that they are
"just another store" with a greater selection of some
helpful products that are tough to find elsewhere. So we shop there
occassionally. You give them press and go wild for them and make
a fuss over them. Guess you are looking to line your pockets with
some of their ad monies soon. (we bet it crossed your mind and even
if it didnt or you'd never admit it---they certainly dont deserve
the accolades you and some of these hypocrite stars fawn all over
them) Maybe you'd like it if someone put you in the Lobster tank
in the La Jolla store or put you through the process right after
you were born or very young to make you that piece of veal sitting
in the case. This is why we tell our friends that we arent vegan,
vegetarian. or any label---because most of those people are pure,
unadulterated hypocrites. We like the non-pretender meat eaters
that at least "are what they are" (even though it stinks)
over the hypocrite vegetarians any day. We know plenty of vegetarians
that could not care less that a cow is killed, sold, and sliced
up for meat and all the other by-products after its milk production
goes down EVEN ON FAMILY FARMS!. (our friends own one)
They could not care less if a cow's male calve is turned into veal
neither. As long as they can eat their cheese, milk, and butter,
and yogurt---and preach their self serving , leftist, elite garbage
on how wonderful they are as a vegetarians. These are the same hypocrites
that have no problem with putting a black piece of cold metal in
killing something with a heartbeat so long as they can have a "choice"
that suits their irresponsibility--and it suits their convenience
or possible embarassment. Choice gets checked at the door when another
life is involved. Your choice is for your life --not others--and
certainly not something with a heartbeat. What was funny today is
that when we read your site--it made us think of a group of folks
we know in Boston who all spout their vegetarianism and dont even
eat cage free eggs. (and amazingly they have ZERO problem with that
even when we bring it up...as do most vegetarians show non-chalance
about when we bring it up) Usually--we wouldnt waste our breath
and time that we can never replace---but your Whole Foods promo-like
front page and dream come true stuff--- was just too much to handle.
Guess they havent set up the lobster tank or put the veal in your
store yet. Guess you dont know a lot of what Whole Foods is involved
in. Sure you do--you've driven to others---it's just hypocricy.
Oh please...organic? 60% of their produce here in San diego (even
with tons of Organic farmers here in NON organic!!) What planet
are you on. Ok they have more than Vons or Ralphs, but even those
stores are improving. Even little Ocean Beach People's Co-op and
Jimbo's both have more organic vegetables and fruits than "big"
PROFITABLE Whole Foods. So please don't talk about their organic
committment. We almost puked. (by the way people in SD know this
and that coop is the most successful we have seen in 14 cities we
have lived in---they are even building a new multi-million dollar,
bigger, green unreal building due to their sucesss. (while other
coops are going down the tubes) You may want to pay a visit and
look at that new building they have under construction. Even in
the winter when things stink for organics, they have a lot more.
Tell it like it is. You can roll around in the cash you earn from
your site---and you can fool everybody but yourself and the man
upstairs. (and the few who have the guts to call you and the Bagley's
and the vegetarians of the world on their utter hypocricy). Wanna
laugh? Go look at the side of Whole Foods soy milk. People buy this
refridgerated for a variety of reasons--but for the most part, it's
mostly vegetarians who dont want milk. They (Whole Foods 'smart"
food guy--what a schmuck store..this is what they call him) suggest
mixing in some milk and egg protein with it to make a morning shake.
We are not kidding.
Yep--that's why most bought the soy milk---so they can add egg
and milk to it.
Whole Foods has lots of nice folks working for them and lots of
tremendous hypocrites. And lots of people that are no different
than any other corporation. Have the balls to tell it like it is
or dont at all. We used to eat fish and turkey and the like till
we woke up and realized what hypocrites we were. We have never been
hypocrites like you( and so many others) since becoming vegans.
We dont tolerate the hypocricy of folks like you---we point blank
put a magnifying glass on it. It may wash in plastic , fake, LA--it
doesnt in our book. Live your lives based on truth and consistency
or keep your mouths shut--because you come across as pompous hypocrites
just looking to make money (that's right...CASH) off a site...
instead of exhibiting honor in the field of speaking up for animals
that have no voice. And its always the unpopular 1% like us willing
to tell folks like you this while the rest of the bandwagon sheep
(including the "famous" ones) just root you on. This is
why the world always has been what it is--- and always will be what
it is. Don't write back--we arent interested and your message will
be deleted. Pay a visit to the SD store in La Jolla if they havent
set up your Lobster tank or Veal viewing area yet and put yourselves
in their shoes...slowly...moment by moment... during and till the
ends of their lives. Really put it and feel it in your mind if you
have the guts. People that give compassion deserve compassion. People
that are admirable and show consistency deserve admiration. Take
an objective step back in a quiet moment and do some self evaluation
(which most people are NOT capable of or really willing to do) and
tell yourself... if after you see what you see (and think about
it) if everything above wasnt true. We are sending a copy of this
to several papers such as the NY Times, etc (not that it will acomplish
anything--we arent deluded) as we think that when you claim that
you speak for--- or even somehow represent or showcase the vegan
community by maintaining a leading site like this---you dont. We
are entitled to our opinion in this country and we plan to do so.
Sites like yours need to have the light shined on them. Lobster
tanks? Veal? (not even mentioning LOTS of other things in their
stores) We think you have some Karma heading your way. That's where
the animals and us get our real justice. The animals are waiting
for your visit and the glass tanks and cases are nice and clear
and cleaned---you'll have no trouble visually seeing it...its the
other type of seeing that we think you'll have a problem with.
End of Hatemail
Here is a copy
of my response, which bounced because this "loving compassionate"
vegan sent their hatemail from a fake email account…
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: (Fwd) Hi]
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:11:55 -0800
From: Jeff Nelson <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Organization: VegSource Interactive, Inc.
Thanks for your note. Sorry I do not have time to read all of
it (I actually have a life...!) but I did read part of the first
paragraph and quickly scanned the rest.
The bottom line is that it's fortunate that you do not have a website
or otherwise are out trying to make a difference in others' lives.
remain an angry judgemental individual who
has time to write endless droning
Whole Foods generously donated $5,000 in order to make possible
day-long totally vegan festival this past
September that drew between 12,000 and 15,000 people to hear vegan
speakers and sample great vegan food.
The donation was made to a non-profit organization we help,
not to us, and we've never received a dime from Whole Foods.
Whole Foods also put fliers for WorldFest into the bags of each
of their customers at the checkout counter of several of their local
stores, encouraging them to attend this vegan event.
Our enthusiastic report at seeing a Whole Foods store open near
us was both a genuine expression of our delight, as well as a thank
you to WF for their generosity in helping make it possible to put
on the largest vegan event ever in the US.
I realize that you probably believe no such events should take
place unless and until every donor, supporter and contributor has
been thoroughly checked out and passes some arbitrary ridiculous
non-real world standard you set.
But if the progress of vegetarianism and a compassionate
lifestyle were only dependent on people like you, there would be
very few vegans, no great food for vegans, and no positive encouraging
messages out to the public -- just an overwhelming impression that
vegans are assh*les -- and it would be accurate.