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Subject:         Re: starbright gives doug his permanent walking papers
Date: December 7, 2015 at 11:37 am PST

In Reply to: Re: starbright gives doug his permanent walking papers posted by bravehearted on December 7, 2015 at 10:53 am:

the thing that really stands out/irks me greatly is
how doug says on his video response to leah's that
she had the free will to stop the fast anytime she
wanted to and didn't so again it appears that he is
blaming the customer and not being a real
man/professional leader as how is a very young woman
who is very ill to begin with who comes to fast for
better health even know/understand about fasting
thus knows when to stop or not or keep going and
also he encouraged leah to not go to hospital and
that he could turn her around to better health soon
thus encouraging her to stay and keep fasting
according to leah and her mom's testimonials.
nobody is going to exaggerate and make up what leah
and her mom said.

some at grant's retreat didn't even stay for the
dinner prepared by alicia more than once and looked
for other places to eat inwhich there are really no
good vegan eateries in that area of retreat. there
was also not enough quantity of food prepared at
dinner thus lots went with none or very little
portions and grant would invite this person/these
people to join full paying retreat customers for
dinner with us for free even when not enough food
for us full paying retreat customers. there is not
a big enough fridge there to store fruits so lots
went sour fast with the high heat there. the sour
fruits are not thrown out and instead pushed to eat
still before the good fruits. he advertises all
fitness levels, but if you are not in great physical
shape you won't be able to participate in the
hikes/walks and end up just sitting around on beach
inwhich you can do anywhere so no need to travel
that far to do that. grant never introduced the
workstudy people who come for free or half to less
price as the ones who will be cleaning all the
dishes at the end of the dinner and you are told to
clean your own dishes from dinner. he himself never
helped prepare any of the dinner meals. you are
made to help prepare the dinner meals even though
you paid full price for retreat and didn't like the
preparation and didn't want to do it and you are
made to chop lettuce and tomatoes type of work and
learn nothing of how alicia makes her sauces as that
is all she does and gets you to do all the mindless
menial things and barks orders at you with her very
coarse abrasive voice/personality and made a
retreater cry alot from it. does this all sound
like a great safe retreat you travel very far to go
to and pay just as much if not more for the airfare
as the retreat itself costs? its really not all
that of a great exotic retreat at all. he's just
overselling it as any great salesman would do to
sell their product/service to feed their livelihood
to live by buyr beware is an understatement in
regards to doug, grant and alicia

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