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Subject:         Re: 2015: the LAST Woodstock Fruit Festival
Date: June 26, 2015 at 3:55 am PST

In Reply to: Re: 2015: the LAST Woodstock Fruit Festival posted by Paul on June 26, 2015 at 12:09 am:

Ohh this is new, Paul calling everyone stupid again.

Paul you are in no position to call anybody stupid.

Heck you couldn't even tell the "proof that humans are fruit eaters" video that you linked up, wasn't even about humans but a relative now EXTINCT species.

I mean how clueless are you ? If you spent more time actually reading, instead of just insulting people, you might trip a brain cell in that empty head of yours.

Anyone that constantly promotes Loren Lockman as if he's some credible expert in health, needs their head examined. Not to mention his naturopath degree appears to be from a non-accredited diploma mill, like many other fake raw gurus.

There is a reason that when searching "loren lockman" in google that the 4th predictive result is - "loren lockman death".

Do you actually know anything about this guy before recommending him constantly to others on here ?

Or are you like the rest of the doey eyed raw vegan bunny boilers that you are so far deluded in the raw vegan idealogy that you don't care about people dying ?

"Documents in the case further indicate that Trader referred to himself as a "retired" naturopath. In the fatal case, he advised a 22-year-old woman with insulin-dependent diabetes to stop taking her insulin and undergo a water-only fast. After she became acutely ill with diabetic ketoacidosis, he administered huge amounts of insulin, but she lost consciousness and died soon afterwards. (Insulin alone is not sufficient treatment for diabetic ketoacidosis.) Three other clients appeared to have suffered impairment of their memory as a result of prolonged fasting. Another patient became emaciated and developed beriberi (a severe B-vitamin deficiency) as a result of severe fasting. Two other clients were dissatisfied with their experience and left within a week. One was a man with severe heart disease who could have been heading for disaster as a result of stopping his medications [2]. " SOURCE -

What did he expect to happen in the insulin dependant diabetic patient taking away their insulin and putting them on a water only fast ?

I mean are these people completely clueless when it comes to health ?

It was the same with Doug Graham and his wreckless recommendations of water fasting for an individual with severe bed ridden adrenal insufficiency.

Doug didn't even know what condition he was actually treating once questioned, he thought CFS was the same as adrenal insufficiency, which shows his gross level of knowledge on these health conditions.

There's only so many times Doug could pretend to blame the Veg Source admins deleting posts. He was lucky to have enforcers like yourself protecting him, as without he wouldn't have lasted long before someone asked him a basic question on the scientific aspects of his diet, such as to where he gets sufficient iodine from land plant based foods only on a raw vegan 80/10/10 diet. Iodine being a common vegan deficiency.

But the fact of the matter is, that it was clowns like yourself Paul that shielded Doug from being asked very basic and reasonable questions like the above.

Tell me, what were you afraid of that made you shield these people like Doug from being questioned ?

Were you afraid that your favorite pop youtube celebrity guru was going to be shown up that he didn't actually have a basic knowledge of nutrition and was well out of his depth to be treating serious diseases with water fasting.

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