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From: Jeff (
Subject:         Response to some questions about Graham my "80/10/10 Debunked" video
Date: May 24, 2015 at 10:27 pm PST

I've gotten a few emails asking me some questions about my video
about Doug. This is the video where I take issue with Doug trying to
make it appear that Colin Campbell was endorsing Doug's book.

Regarding this discussion board, from early on I gave Doug the ability
to remove posts and allowed him to have people banned/blocked from
his board. This is a power I give to anyone who has a board on
VegSource. I rarely paid attention to what Doug did or deleted or

When I saw Doug was telling people that "Admin doesn't like this or
that," when in fact it was Doug deleting and making decisions, and no
"admin" at vegsource was involved, that was wrong and unacceptable.
It's one thing for Doug to delete, it's another thing for Doug to invoke
the vegsource "admin" and it was because Doug did not want to take
responsibility for what he was doing. He was attempting to shut down
questions about his fasting program here by claiming vegsource
("admin") didn't want those questions asked.

Doug had actually written to me around that same time asking me to
make public comments about people trying to question him, and I
declined and said I didn't want to get involved. At that point I didn't
fully know what it was all about in any case, I thought it was a spat
between Doug and Harley.

To be honest, I had always viewed Doug as a bit of a harmless quack.

Over the years, Doug wrote me repeatedly begging to be a presenter
at our Healthy Lifestyle Expo along with Campbell, McDougall, Ornish,
Barnard, Esselstyn, Novick and many other celebrated health and
lifestyle experts. But I never had Doug because he's not in their
league. Those guys are researchers; Doug has theories and makes up
a lot of sh*t.

And then Doug wrote to me accusing me of discriminating against the
raw diet because I didn't invite him to speak. Yeah, I've got a lot of
emails like that from Doug claiming that he's being discriminated
against or some such, and asking when he would be invited. He didn't
think it was fair that we were "discriminating" because he was raw.
But the kind of discrimination was that we were being selective about
the quality and seriousness of people we wanted to present. If we
were discriminating, it was discriminating taste. We have had raw
speakers, and we will again, but Doug does not belong with these

Last year when I found out about the problems with Doug's fasting
program and his apparently callous treatment of his "patients," I
realized I didn't want to be associated with him. I decided he wasn't a
bit of a harmless quack, but a harmful one.

And I did not want him using the platform we had given him on
VegSource to find new, unsuspecting clients, people who might come
to my site, find Doug and think, "Well if Doug is on VegSource, he
must be okay." And I took the decision to remove him.

When I saw him attributing to "admin" as if we were making decisions
about blocking and commenting about what was appropriate and
inappropriate to bring up regarding his fasting program, etc., that was
bullsh*t and I pulled the plug.

This should not be hard to understand.

I'm also hearing that people who work with Doug claim I renamed this
board "Raw & Raw Till 4" because I'm in business in some way with
Harley and Freelee. Excuse me? This is utter nonsense. I have
known Freelee and Harley for years, including when Doug had me
block Harley from his board, and was claiming to me in emails that
Harley had hacked his website and caused over $100k damage to
Doug, as well as to Fully Raw Kristina. I told Doug I thought that was
nonsense, and asked what proof he had. He had none.

In any case, I know many people in the vegan world, raw, cooked and
otherwise. Sometimes they have disputes with each other. I don't
necessarily look to get involved, unless I want to get involved.

I don't know what other "defenses" are being raised by Doug's people
about my video where I object to Doug putting his book cover over a
video of Colin to dupe people into thinking Colin is talking about his

I'll just say whatever you're hearing there: consider the source. And if
you're okay with your daughter being treated the way Leah was
treated, I don't think we'll ever agree on anything.

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