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From: Dr Gosia O'Reilly (
Subject:         purity, ethics and other comments
Date: April 19, 2015 at 12:16 am PST

In Reply to: Re: Eat raw, keep your brain, grow your heart posted by temp on April 14, 2015 at 8:14 am:

Hi temp,

Yes, I do believe that it was the restricted diet as
well as purity (combined with intimidation) that were
major contributing factors to all those health
issues. When Harley was a member of Raw Pleasure
forum, at one point people were leaving in
double/triple digits due to the harassment of those
non-100% raw vegans. Eventually he got banned, and
then went off and created 30bad, where this purity-
driven propaganda continued on a scale never seen
before. This is why, I believe, we saw all those
problems. It is ironic that Harley has said more
recently to be anti-purity, when it was him that
enabled it on such scale in the first place. I think
that him turning a cooked vegan was perhaps a good
thing, as the risk of deficiencies is lower in a
less-controlling environment. So in this sense, I
think that the exposure of the health issues at the
sucks forum was a good thing, as it prompted some
changes in the end.

As far as what's the right diet, I think it would be
nice if we could factor ethics in too. Considering a
huge number of humans on the planet, consumption of
animals products can create and has created some
ethical disasters. So in my view, if possible, it
would be good if humans could practice plant-based
diets that do not involve such suffering or damage.
Is it possible? Is it doable? I do not know.
Nevertheless, I believe that such possibility should
not be left out of discussion, and I guess vegans
will make sure that it does not.

I do not hold the Mediterranean diet in as high
regard as you do. I lived in Greece for four years,
and the fruit was great there (eg those amazing
figs!), but my impression was that many people were
overweight and of not so great health. I was just a
normal, slim young woman, but would often hear
comments that I was too skinny. Too skinny for their
standards, I guess. But I think that having lots of
high quality fruit and veggies is a good feature of
their diet. As is a relaxed attitude to life.


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