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Subject:         Re: Eat raw, keep your brain, grow your heart
Date: April 16, 2015 at 7:04 am PST

In Reply to: Re: Eat raw, keep your brain, grow your heart posted by BJ on April 16, 2015 at 5:44 am:

BJ wrote - "Any sensible diet will decrease the rate of coronary heart disease by 70% compared to the typical SAD / junk food diet of Americans, Europeans, Australians or anyone who eats a rich fatty or junk food or processed diet. "

Well thats quite a grandiose claim, considering you have no proof whatsoever that any "sensible" diet is capable of providing similar health benefit to a tradtional greek mediterranean style diet

And like sproutarianman you haven't interpreted the study properly anyway, probably it would help if you bothered actually reading it before making such definitive opinions on things.

Firstly it wasn't talking about the rate of developing CHD in the first place. Secondily if you had bothered to read the study you would have seen the control diets that were compared was one promoted by the American Heart Association Diet.

Again the study found was that a crete/traditional greek mediterranean style diet was capable of decreasing the DEATH RATE in individuals with coronary heart disease by up to 70%

It achieved this longevity promotion by reducing cardiovascular complications such as preventing the re-occurance of fatal/non-fatal heart attacks in individuals who already had existing coronary heart disease. The lyon heart study was a diet intervention study.

Your making out as if that is no big feat and that any well intentioned "sensible" diet is capable of providing such powerful longevity enhancing health benefit to these individuals with coronary heart diease.

If simply any "healthy" plant based diet was so easily capable of such benefit, then why has research shown many other plant based diets including vegan diets to come up pale in comparison ?

Because simply put not any healthy plant based diet offers the same benefits, nor is any 2 diets nutritionally the same. There are also lots of minor differences in even mediterranean diets, which is why we are referring to the traditional greek style mediterranean diet here.

Vegan diets despite being majority plant based can actually increase the risk of developing heart disease, through elevated homo-cysteine levels, which as the research has found, is caused by the low vitamin b12 intake in vegans.

Im sure someone with coronary heart disease would be most interested in such evidence based longevity promoting and potentially life saving information, especially when its something as simple as a healthy diet change that is required.

For years everyone has moaned about the lack of science validated and evidence based diets and you give them a diet on a plate with a mountain of scientific research validating its heart health benefits and suddenly everyone wants to go back to the unproven mythical raw vegan diets again.

Just because there is a myriad of other lifestyle factors that effect heart health, doesn't mean that we should continue to ignore scientifically validated diets that are proven to support heart health and promote longevity. Or else its just a never ending quest for fake unproven diets, FAD diets essentially.

Also just because you live in the mediterranean doesn't mean you eat a traditional greek style diet. Western diet influence and cheap processed foods has washed well and truly all over Europe now, ive lived there all my life, these people live as unhealthy lifestyles in the current day and age, as people do generally in the UK.

We are still going further and further away from plant based diets and veganism has actually hindered the progression if anything because people have got hurt following plant based diets such as raw and 80/10/10 etc.

Hardly a good advert for plant food based diets.

Its always best to remember, that just because your diet is majority plant based, doesn't mean its healthy or nutritionally complete.

Most vegan nutritionists like Dr Greger can't see past their intense fog of vegan bias, to correctly identify from the research of the potential nutritional dangers that following strict plant based diets pose to an individual.

Well until they make their once a year video on the vegans who have heart attacks at 40 years old due to elevated homo-cysteine and b12 deficiency.

Don't forget to chomp up the b12 supplements guys...

sigh, but thats considered preventative thinking or in Doug Grahams case, just wait until you are b12 deficient, who cares at all, you eat all plants and fruit, that will save you.

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