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From: Dr Gosia O'Reilly (59.167.207.152)
Subject:         Re: Eat raw, keep your brain, grow your heart
Date: April 14, 2015 at 5:21 am PST

In Reply to: Re: Eat raw, keep your brain, grow your heart posted by temp on April 13, 2015 at 8:35 am:

Hi temp

Thank you for sharing your insights.

I do not know whether eating raw/close to raw is sustainable in the long term. Maybe it depends on a person and their individual circumstances?

In relation to a strict vegan diet, again, I do not know, perhaps that depends on a person? I tried a strict omnivorous diet, but it did not work for me in the long term. :) My body was declining at an accelerated rate, which got halted with the help of raw.

I agree that a healthy diet should be nutritionally complete in order to be sustainable long term. How to determine whether a diet is nutritionally complete is not clear though. Should we go by dietary recommendations that are numerical estimates, or by how one feels? For example, some long term raw vegans do not take B12 supplements, yet they experience no symptoms of deficiency, though a test could show that their levels are low. How accurate are dietary recommendations?

Attempting a raw vegan diet can be a challenge, because it is so different from what people are used to. My position is that one needs to follow the signals of their body, and for example pay attention to how comfortable they are on the diet, so that the issues do not accumulate in the long term. Also, the quality of foods is a key factor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZu3RcIW4_M).

In my case, my B12 levels were low, I felt discomfort, and so I decided that supplementing was a right decision, in order to avoid potential risks. I prefer unnatural factory-produced pill than unnatural suffering-inducing factory-produced meat, so it's an easy choice. Could I grow my own meat? Probably not. I witnessed a murder of a pig once, and was far from being comfortable about it. Eating a piece of fruit seems painless to me however.

I wrote an article detailing my thoughts on the topic of B12, with some scientific references which I found interesting:
http://blog.rawgosia.com/is-b12-deficiency-an-honorary-raw-vegan-badge/

In there, you can read quotes based on scientific studies:

<The levels at which one is B12 deficient may vary for each individual.
There is no evidence that B12 insufficiency causes cognitive decline, and there may be some other underlying factors with which B12 is associated.>>

and so research on B12 is far from conclusive and complete.

As far as 30bad, I really do not think what we observed was merely a result of a "vegan diet". The health issues that people were reporting were very unusual, as was the scale of it. My friend Heather collapsed and ended up in ER after following 30bad recommendations for a couple of years. Who ends up in ER after doing a vegan diet? Such stories to me are symptomatic of nutritional deficiencies, which do not typically occur on a vegan diet. In my view, the key contributing factors were in fact very poor nutritional advice by people with few skills, recommending a restrictive diet, with insufficient focus on adequate nutrition, and in an environment of intimidation, censorship, where the vital information about the true effects of the diet on individuals was being withheld from the view by the practice of the removal of such posts.

I agree that we should be promote healthy plant-based diets. Diets that do not require any supplements sound great. How practical would it be? Perhaps people should stop spending their lives inside buildings, should start growing their own food so that they can have access to fully ripen organic fruit and veggies, and should spend most of their time outdoors? Also, we should have better food production practices that do not deplete the soil. That would make a completely different world.


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