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From: John Rose (107.136.181.36)
Subject:         Re: The Ultimate Solution - Part 2
Date: April 12, 2015 at 7:49 am PST

In Reply to: Re: The Ultimate Solution - Part 2 posted by el-bo on April 11, 2015 at 12:02 pm:

>>when someone offers you the "ultimate" anything, it should be your cue to run in the opposite direction<<

As Albert Einstein once said, “Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.”

Interestingly, I’ve addressed your concerns in one of my many Videos that I have not yet uploaded and it has to do with whether it sounds too good to be true that there could be an ULTIMATE SOLUTION to a Problem that is 100% Within our Control. The KEY words here is that it’s “100% Within our Control”!!!

I’ve actually addressed this point many times and I’ll include a Post below that explains it and in that Post, you will notice that I wrote that there is the Science and Art of Solving Problems that are 100% Within our Control and that NO ONE has enough Knowledge when it comes to the Art, especially people like Doug.

>>not gonna give the guy my time<<

Hey el-bo,

As I pointed out to BJ, if you choose not to watch my Video, it’s your loss because I’m sharing something very special. I’ve created a very special Teaching Tool that uses Knowledge in a way that has NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE!!!

By the way, anyone who hides behind different names as nic has should be a red flag for those with discerning eyes. Interestingly, his post where he hid behind user name RL used the same style as powerliar/chris who is NOT even Raw nor is he Vegan.

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/100050551.html
From: RL (167.114.118.4) Canada Quebec Montreal Ovh Hosting Inc.
Date: March 21, 2015 at 1:52 am PST

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/100050635.html
From: nic (167.114.102.230) Canada Quebec Montreal Ovh Hosting Inc.
Date: April 11, 2015 at 10:36 am PST


Now here is that Post where I explain that “no one understands the Art well enough not to make some Mistakes”:

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/100048876.html
From: John Rose (68.93.65.58)
Subject: The FLAWS in Natural Hygiene!!!!!!
Date: August 31, 2014 at 6:46 am PST
In Reply to: If 80-10-10 is so great then WHY? posted by visitor on August 30, 2014 at 8:16 pm:

>>If the 80-10-10 diet is species-specific and all the claims Graham makes are true, then: Why did Doug and his minions need to censor so many reports of failure and harm on the diet, for years?<<

As Gary pointed out, “he probably thought people weren't doing it right.” Indeed, a lot of people fail because they don’t eat enough Greens to get the 10% Protein that’s needed and a lot of people fail because they don’t Satisfy all of their other Needs, which brings me to the FLAW in Doug’s thinking, which is also the FLAW with most other Natural Hygienists.

The major FLAW in Doug’s thinking is that he does NOT think that you can Screw Up the Law of Cause & Effect, but you can Screw Up the Law of Cause & Effect whenever you do NOT recognize the Ripple Effect.

In other words, there are 2 Groups of Needs we must Satisfy and I call that the Science and Art of Solving Problems that are 100% Within our Control.

The Science has to do with the Law of Cause & Effect and is Linear and the Art has to do with the Ripple Effect and is Circular.

The Science has to do with the Knowledge of How to Live where we must Satisfy 12 Initial Essential Needs, thereby, Removing the Primary Causes and the Art has to do with the Knowledge of How to Adapt where we must Satisfy 2 Additional Temporary Needs, thereby, Dealing with the Subsequent Causes, as well as the Subsequent Needs.

The Science has to do with the Oneness of Disease based on our Anatomical Limitations given to us at birth and the Art has to do with the Uniqueness of Disease based on the Anatomical Limitations from making Mistakes that have Damaged our Bodies.

In other words, Doug, like most Natural Hygienists, understand the Law of Cause & Effect and that’s where our Species Specific Diet comes into play, but Doug, like most Natural Hygienists, do NOT understand the Ripple Effect or they do NOT understand that we have 2 Groups of Needs we must Satisfy.

So the problem that most people have is that they use the Art without using the Science (and we must NEVER use the Art without using the Science, which is why most Natural Hygienists do NOT believe in using Herbs or Enemas, for example) and the problem that most Natural Hygienists have is that they use the Science without using the Art. In most cases, we do NOT have to use the Art, but when we do NOT see results by Removing the Primary Causes, i.e. by Applying the Science, it’s because of the Damage we’ve done to our Anatomy and the Environment and now, we have another Group of Needs we must Satisfy, i.e. we must recognize the Art.

Once again, Doug simply does NOT understand the Art. But no one understands the Art well enough not to make some Mistakes. The problem with Doug is that he doesn’t understand any of the Art and therefore, makes more Mistakes than most and in the process, alienates everyone else because he constantly makes Blanket Statements that clearly show Doug has NOT done his homework and in the process, is giving Natural Hygiene a black eye, just like Jonas is giving Natural Hygiene a black eye. None of these FOOLS understand that we can Screw Up the Law of Cause & Effect. They’re arrogant because most people don’t know or have the Right Knowledge to Apply the Law of Cause & Effect and then, put their Protocol as #1. They only use the Art and they don’t use the Science. Doug only uses the Science and Not the Art.

So in both cases, they’re both Wrong - they’re both Incomplete. We should NEVER use the Art without the Science and when we use the Science, sometimes we have to use the Art.

Yes, Doug understands that Knowledge of Habits or Knowledge of How to Live is more important than all of the other Knowledge combined and that most people don’t have this Knowledge, but Doug doesn’t understand the Knowledge of How to Adapt. And although Doug gives lip service to “Modifying our Needs based on the Individual’s Condition” he lacks sufficient Knowledge to do what he claims he does. Even Shelton pointed out that our Needs Change as Conditions Change, but neither one of these FOOLS did their homework to understand that we have 2 Groups of Needs that we must Satisfy.
http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/100048876.html

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