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From: gary (
Subject:         Re: what is worse than "bad behavior"?
Date: October 3, 2014 at 8:25 am PST

In Reply to: Re: what is worse than posted by BJ on October 2, 2014 at 7:30 pm:

>So it's ok to criticise and apportion blame to some young people who have been to Dougs fasting events ( which you did )because they didn't do their research,

I did not do that. I was one of those who said that it was doug's responsibility, and that leah was not to blame. maybe that was you who blamed leah.

> but if they come to a board like this to do their research and are interested in hearing the whole story from both sides, only your narrow side is right and all the real life evidence is wrong!!!

I have no problem with people sharing their experience. what people do though, is make all kinds of unproven statements that help nobody.
that is bad behavior. that is reckless.
the statements (like from sproutarian and temp) make in these claims, not to be helpful as they claim, but merely to disparage something that they personally failed on. if they were honest and objective, they would provide some real specific evidence, not studies, not vague "dha has low conversion". but they don't have that.

people are quite able to monitor themselves, or get tests done to insure they are healthy on their path.

what people like S and T do is, even though someone shows a good test result, they STILL must say that the tests are not valid, so as to maintain their belief system.

people who don't do well on X diet, blame the diet, because they cannot possibly have done anything wrong, in their mind. they are biased. people think that after one week they should be all good, ready to go, or they get low on b12 and trash the diet - there are so many invalid reasons that people have used to avoid looking at themselves. plus people just don't understand how to do it . it's not natural to us. we were not taught.

I also think that it is reckless to repeat ad nauseum that the vegan diet is low in x,y,z,a,b,c when it is clearly not. a VEGAN diet that is cooked may have many problems (and that is the scientific studies that naysayers reference and try to apply to RAW veganism), but a RAW vegan diet
when done properly works just fine, and has for many people. the only thing that people can say is that some do not do well. but if 1. if some do well and 2. if there are no physiological differences between us that are big enough to be the causative factor (since this has never been shown), THEN

those that do well ARE the PROOF of concept, and those who do not do well may have done something that caused failure, as there are a hundred ways to fail.

>I'm not saying the 100% high fruit raw vegan diet doesn't work for some people - it does, but because some people have had great successes at Dougs fasting events doesn't mean it's the right thing for everyone to do. There is a difference between a diet of healing and cleansing, and a long term sustainable diet for a lot of people.

fine. i say it's not easy to do, and people always want to blame nutritional deficiency, when there are many other reasons for failure, social/addictions/ not eating efficiently/overeating/undereating, etc.

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