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From: John Rose (107.136.181.36)
Subject:         Suggestion for TSM & NHers…
Date: October 2, 2014 at 10:13 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: BRILLIANT POST GARY!!! - vegan problems,lets try and fix it. posted by The Sproutarian on October 2, 2014 at 5:58 pm:

>>l don't need to put down high fruit diets with the intention of trying to promote my way of eating<<

EXACTLY!!!

YOU DON’T NEED TO PUT DOWN HIGH FRUIT DIETS, BUT YOU DO!!!

The problems people have with our Ideal Diet have NOTHING to do with FRUIT!!!

All of our problems have to do with the DAMAGE that we’ve done to Ourselves, Society and the Environment.

In other words, our Ideal Diet has to do with the Science or our 1st Group of Needs and the DAMAGE that we’ve done to Ourselves, Society and the Environment has to do with the Art or our 2nd Group of Needs. You keep CONFUSING the Science with the Art! The problem is NOT with our Diet - the problem is with the Damage that we’ve done. If your body is damaged and cannot make any Cholesterol or any other Level 2 Nutrient, then we have provide our body with that Level 2 Nutrient.

Once again, the FAULT DOES NOT Lie in the FRUIT - the FAULT Lies in Ourselves, Society and the Environment.

As far as Triglycerides, there’s a very simple reason why they are higher on a Low Fat Diet, especially with Fruit, and I’ll start a separate Thread to explain that in more detail.

>>John, we both are trying to achieve the same goal here, we want people to be able to stay vegan for life.<<

Since you NEVER responded to my Post below, I’d like to, once again, offer you and EVERYONE else a very simple Suggestion and this time I’d appreciate some feedback from you and everyone else because these issues go way beyond just you and me.

http://www.raw---foodsupport.com/read.php?2,244326
Suggestion for TSM & NHers…
Posted by: John Rose
Date: July 10, 2014 06:58AM

For those of us with a Passion to share our Message about Raw Food to the masses, I would like to offer some information on the Performance Equation, which will help all of us accomplish our Goal!

The Performance Equation is at the heart of my work to help me understand that there are 2 Key Issues - Knowledge & Willingness and these 2 Key Issues can be expressed in the Equation below.

Performance = Ability to Perform (Knowledge & Skill) / Opportunity to Perform X Willingness to Perform

So our Performance equals our Ability to Perform LIMITED by our Opportunity to Perform TIMES our Willingness to Perform. The first part of the Performance Equation that I want to point out to EVERYONE who has a Passion to share our Message about Raw Food has to do with our Willingness to Perform.

Obviously, our Willingness to Perform is a HUGE Problem of Knowledge because Knowledge is worthless unless we Apply it! For this reason, EVERYONE who has a Passion to share our Message about Raw Food has to Objectively Evaluate whether their “Preferred Version of Raw Food” is the Version that will help us reach the Tipping Point or their “Preferred Version of Raw Food” is the best Version.

Unfortunately, NO ONE KNOWS which Version is the best Version right now and even if we did KNOW which Version was the best, we have to Objectively Evaluate whether or not this Version will help us reach the Tipping Point and if it does NOT, then those that PROMOTE it have to STOP ATTACKING ANY OF THOSE OTHER VERSIONS THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO HELP US REACH THE TIPPING POINT.

In other words, WE HAVE TO STOP SHOOTING INSIDE THE TENT.

Let’s overcome this Lack of Unity and put aside our differences right now and stop trying to Prove that our Version is the best or the only way.

This does NOT mean, however, that any of us must stop our work so we can all come to a consensus once we reach the Tipping Point.

This also does NOT mean that we don’t want to discuss and debate which is the best, but NOT do so in a way that keeps us from reaching the Tipping Point.

All this means is that we must offer a Unified Message to the Masses and that simple Message is RAW!

Once again, no one must abandon their work; however, if our Version can’t help us reach the Tipping Point, we have to STOP ATTACKING ANY OF THOSE OTHER VERSIONS THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO HELP US REACH THE TIPPING POINT.

Peace and Love..........John
http://www.raw---foodsupport.com/read.php?2,244326

Since you had not responded to my post above, I tried one more time to get you to see the Big Picture with my post below.

http://www.raw---foodsupport.com/read.php?2,244326,244638#msg-244638
Re: Suggestion for TSM & NHers…
Posted by: John Rose
Date: July 14, 2014 10:57AM

Hey TSM,

I hope that you give this Performance Equation a lot more thought as it will help you on your mission.

Here's something else to think about - it's a quote from Dr. Gabriel Cousens followed by my thoughts based on Socrates...

“In the Talmud, Rabbi Yishamel said, ‘From the day that the holy Temple was destroyed it would have been right to have imposed upon ourselves the law prohibiting the eating of flesh. But the rabbis have laid down a wise and logical ruling that the authorities must not impose any decree unless the majority of the members of the community are able to abide by it. Otherwise the law and those who administer it get into disrepute.’” -Gabriel Cousens, M.D., “Conscious Eating” p. 218

“Socrates said that if the ideal cannot be realized in every detail, it is still worth describing as a standard to aim at.” -John Rose, see Plato’s “The Republic” p. 231

Peace and Love..........John
http://www.raw---foodsupport.com/read.php?2,244326,244638#msg-244638

Once again, this website does not allow certain words and URLs, so you have to back out the (---) to access my posts above.

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