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From: The Sproutarian (
Subject:         Re: Fully Raw Christina - questionable blood results?
Date: October 2, 2014 at 5:00 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: Fully Raw Christina - questionable blood results? posted by temp on October 2, 2014 at 5:47 am:

Hard hitting straight talk below. If you are sensitive and have an ego you might want to skip this post.

Temp said:

Its always a breath of fresh air to talk diet with you sproutarian man, as i can count on you not acting like an aggressive animal lol.

Even after me critiquing parts of your diet and you doing the same to me, we can still remain mature about the topic and to each other, respect.

I said:

You know me can tell me my diet is untested and nonsense and likely to fail and send me to an early grave blah blah blah, but l don't mind one little bit. I have a group of friends that bring up highly confrontational ideas that would make 99.9% of vegans cringe and bring out massive anger, but all of us can handle it because we are comfortable with life's issue and open minded,+we are not savage animals LOL.

Temp said:

Yoyo-ing in weight from emaciation to normal, shows you that 80/10/10 isn't a healthy diet. Kristina again isn't the first to yoyo so dramatically in her appearance as a raw vegan, we've seen it from many of the supposed gurus. It really is reminiscent of an eating disorder.

I said:

This next bit is only a general comment and not related to Christina. Yes Temp, it rings alarm bells. My intuition says something is not right and it is not necessarily healthy. Extreme people on questionable extreme unbalanced unhealthy diets...not a good combination, and now we see much failure using these methods. Then we see aggression and threats and ego...all toxic nonsense that `so called' good diets don't seem to be fixing. NOT good in my Brian Clement says, it is moderate baloney. It is not full on baloney because at least these types of diets include fruits and vegetables (however they are rarely fresh).

Temp said:

i was saying in the other thread about Dr Greger, most vegan educators don't seem to dedicate much time at all to discussing the very serious common vegan nutritional pitfalls of the diet. They do however definitely spend alot of time arguing every mute point on why to remove animal foods from the diet, often with very silly logic or lack of science for doing so.

I said:

Yes, vegan educators are a pitiful lot. It's nice they try to discourage animal products, none-the-less we need to be balanced about it. Removing animal products takes extra great responsibility when one becomes vegan to fill the gaps, but these vegan promotors often don't stress the importance because they are usually profoundly under educated on the subject and usually very irresponsible....they basically make me sick because their profound ignorance puts people at risk of harm, and most of these vegan educators have NO place doing the work that they are doing because they are so bad at their jobs. I have always said about these vegan educators...if you are so bad at your job, FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO!!! The raw vegan movement is a laughing stock because we have dubious educators teaching poor people partial and dubious information.

Then we have vegan educators speaking out like animal products are the evil and really unhealthy. Now...l am against animal products myself for personal reasons, but we need to get a balanced perspective here. First...if animal products are so bad, then why are the long lived cultures using them with very little heart disease and cancer and diabetes??? Second....not everyone is at the point in their life where they are able to go vegan due to either lack of motivation etc...they are not ready for the change. The point don't go around telling everyone to go vegan (that is highly irresponsible)...what you do is YOU HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE READY TO GO VEGAN. You will never see me going around trying to convert anyone to vegan,l only work with people who are ready to take that step.

The community do act like extremists and crazy people and it's no wonder the vegan community is so disliked. We have a great cause, but we act like used car salesman, telemarketers and annoying sales people....we give partial truths and annoy people and think we are so high and mighty. No wonder people don't like us.

Temp said:

Yourself excluded of course. I think you are truly the first vegan in my 7+ years on the raw forums, that ive came across who can not only read the scientific research on the vegan pitfalls in context, but without intense personal bias or getting upset like most vegans seem too.

I said:

Temp, l really don't get it. Sometimes l wonder how bright we are as a community. We talk a lot of rubbish, become highly emotional and often display a massive lack of common sense. Makes me think that we are malnourished and not getting the good fatty acid levels etc to run the brain properly. We are the Alice in Wonderland people and often act like children or like people in a cult. I am always saying `get a grip', `use your common sense' etc.

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