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From: John Rose (
Subject:         YOU AINíT GOT NO GUNS!!! :)
Date: September 20, 2014 at 6:19 am PST

In Reply to: Re: Are Humans Primates or Aliens??? posted by The Sproutarian on September 19, 2014 at 7:08 pm:

>>if people start bringing up these Ivory Tower school arguments that humans are made to eat plants only because they don't have carnivore teeth, l am going to come out guns blazing.<<

Fact: Every animal on this planet has about a dozen anatomical characteristics that clearly determine what kind of food itís supposed to eat.

>>If people start asking what we did before fire, l will come out guns blazing again. Fire has always been here.<<

Yes, Fire has always been around, but we had not mastered Fire until 87% into our existence and we did not consistently make a Bad Application by Polluting our Food with Fire until 99% into our existence.

So what did we Eat before we Mastered Fire?

What did we Eat for 99% of our existence?

>>Please don't believe the Ivory Tower nonsense that we were all cavemen or lived in a fruit paradise, for that is a fancy feel good theory of the kindergarten school.<<

Fact: Every Culture on this Planet makes reference to a Golden Age.

Fact: Every Culture on this Planet makes reference to the Fall of Mankind;
Back to Paradise
By Richard Heinberg

Ten years ago I was hard at work on what would be my first book, Memories and Visions of Paradise Exploring the Universal Myth of a Lost Golden Age. It was published in 1989, and since then I have periodically looked back on it to see how my thinking has changed and how much Iíve learned. I was able to incorporate some new information and ideas on the subject in the revised edition (Quest Books, 1995), especially in the Update chapter at the end.


Paradise: A Lost Global Civilisation


Comets, Catastrophes, And Civilisation


The Site Of Paradise


Human Nature, Chimps, And Bonobos

Ö This section is for you BJ!!!

The Garden Beckons Still

At lectures and in discussions I still often encounter the idea that itís psychologically, politically, or philosophically wrongheaded to look back to an imaginary time in the past when life was somehow better; that if we are to imagine any paradise at all, we should locate it in the future, not the past. However, it occurs to me that this way of thinking is very much conditioned by modernism. The delegitimisation of the paradise myth was essential to the purposes of industrial civilisation, which substituted for the universal, ancient belief in a lost Golden Age the idea of brutish origins and continual progress. Among traditional peoples, the paradise myth appears to implant a feeling of security and stability; it is perhaps the cultural equivalent of the memory of loving parents and a happy childhood. The evolution-from-barbarism myth, on the other hand, imparts a sense of primal insecurity, which well serves the purposes of a civilisation that must continually disrupt existing social bonds in order to rebuild society in a way that serves the interests of a wealthy elite.

Other people object that, even if the paradise myth makes us feel good, it is pure wishful thinking; there is no evidence that such a condition ever actually existed. The assumption at the heart of this view is that paradise must refer to a perfect, unblemished state. Given that definition, I would agree. It is indeed preposterous to suppose that there was a time when there was no suffering of any kind, when whatever one wished for immediately became reality. The historical paradise, if it existed, was almost certainly not perfect in this absolute sense.

There is evidence Ė not of that imaginary paradise, but of ancient civilisations, cultures, and conditions that simply do not fit the conventional view of humans as slowly and steadily emerging from darkness into light, from barbarism to civility. A sympathetic view of the paradise myth encourages us to open ourselves to this new evidence, and also to admit that what we know of human prehistory is still sketchy at best.


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