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From: John Rose (107.136.181.36)
Subject:         Re: Are Humans Primates or Aliens???
Date: September 19, 2014 at 4:07 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: Are Humans Primates or Aliens??? posted by BJ on September 19, 2014 at 1:30 pm:

>>Bonobos sleep in trees. Does that mean we should be sleeping in trees?<<

YES!!! We are Arboreal Animals too!!! :)


>>Does that mean we should eat leaves and small amounts of animals, or are you just cherry picking the bits that suit your narrative? …Should high raw food fruit eaters be eating bananas when the Bonobos have never had a banana in their life?<<

I NEVER said that our Diet should be the same, I said, “our diet should be very close to their diet (keeping in mind that we have 2 Groups of Needs we must Satisfy).”


>>I have never been to the Congo, but when you watch the documentaries of the people who have, they say the fruit there is very fibrous. Our commercially grown food has had all the fibre and stringiness bread out of it<<

According to the data in the article below, “it seems that wild fruit isn’t universally higher in fiber than cultivated varieties.”

http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit/
Fiber

So what about the claim that wild fruits are much higher in fiber than cultivated varieties? Going back to the data set above, let’s look at the ratio between fiber and total carbohydrate in various fruits. These ratios can be read as “1 part fiber for every X parts total carbohydrate”—so the lower the second number, the greater the relative fiber content of that fruit.

Fiber: total carbohydrate ratio in wild fruits

• Wild plum: 1:6
• Marula fruit: 1:15
• Wild apricot: 1:42
• Monkey orange, flesh around seeds: 1:4
• Monkey orange, flesh around shell: 1:4
• Amatungulu: 1:11
• Baobab: 1:10
• Sour plum: 1:17
• Red gherkin: 1:11

Fiber: total carbohydrate ratio in cultivated fruits

• Papaya: 1:6
• Guava: 1:3
• Strawberries: 1:4
• Cantaloupe: 1:10
• Oranges, Valencia: 1:5
• Apricots: 1:6
• Grapefruit: 1:7
• Pear: 1:5
• Banana: 1:9
• Grapes, American: 1:20
• Nectarines: 1:6
• Peaches: 1:7
• Blueberries: 1:6
• Honeydew melons: 1:12

Basically, we have quite a bit of fiber variation among both wild and cultivated species. Of the wild fruits listed in the paper above, the fiber-to-total-carb ratio ranges from 1:4 for monkey oranges to a whopping 1:42 for wild apricots (meaning the monkey orange has a decent amount of fiber, while the wild apricot has relatively little). Similarly, the sampling of cultivated fruits here range from 1:3 for guava to 1:20 for American grapes. At least from this data, it seems that wild fruit isn’t universally higher in fiber than cultivated varieties, at least not when we look at the edible portion of the fruit.
http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit/


>>The Bonobois live near the pygmies and are about the same size. Are you saying that the pygmies and Bonobos have the same ancestors and we all descended from the pygmies?<<

If you want to understand Evolution, watch the 15 Falsehoods by AronRa, especially the 10th Falsehood - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MXTBGcyNuc&hl=en-GB&gl=GB&feature=related !!!


>>According to evolution, all land life originally came from the sea. Does that mean we are really meant to be eating sea plants? How far do we need to go back?<<

If we put the Human Existence on a Football Field, then we Humans have been around for 100 Yards or 1 Football Field; our Universe has been around for 2,500 Football Fields; our Earth has been around for 750 Football Fields; the 1st Life form on this Planet in the Ocean in the form of a Prokaryotic Cell has been around for 500 Football Fields; the 1st Life on Land in the form of a Eukaryotic Cell has been around for 217 Football Fields; the 1st Plants have been around for 117 Football Fields and the 1st Land Animals have been around for 100 Football Fields.

So how far do we have to go back? Do we have to go back 500 Football Fields or 217 Football Fields or 117 Football Fields or 100 Football Fields or 1 Football Field?

All we have to do to figure out our Ideal Diet is to go back to the 1 Yard Line because that’s the Fall of Mankind - that’s when we opted out of Nature - that’s when we started to consistently Cook our Food. But remember, we have Damaged ourselves, Society and the Environment and now we have 2 Groups of Needs we must Satisfy and I explain this in my post entitled The FLAWS in Natural Hygiene!!!!!! - http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/100048876.html


>>I don't know who originally brought up this nonsensical straw man argument about the Bonobos.<<

The Bonobos are NOT a Straw Man!!!


>>What connection does someone living in a cool temperate climate have to a Bonobo living in the tropics and sleeping in a tree who has never eaten a banana, to someone trying to survive in a big city?<<

The fact that we are no longer living in the tropics is why we have 2 Groups of Needs we must Satisfy and I explain this, once again, in my post entitled The FLAWS in Natural Hygiene!!!!!! - http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/100048876.html


>>Why do you dismiss the gorillas?<<

I choose the Bonobos over the Gorillas and the Chimpanzees simply because we share about 99.5% of our genetic makeup with the Bonobos.


>>Did the Bonobos human relative one day millions of years ago decide to leave his tropical paradise and go for a long walk to a colder climate? And if he did, then maybe he evolved to having a different diet that suited his climate and his body?<<

Once again, we have 2 Groups of Needs we must Satisfy and I explain this in my post entitled The FLAWS in Natural Hygiene!!!!!! - http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/100048876.html


>>Just because they eat the way they do doesn't necessarily mean it's their optimum diet, unless you believe God created everything perfectly<<

No, God made a mistake and forgot to include stoves as part of our anatomy.

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