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From: John Rose (107.136.181.36)
Subject:         Are Humans Primates or Aliens???
Date: September 19, 2014 at 8:23 am PST

In Reply to: Re: Question for sprout eaters and Clement followers, posted by The Sproutarian on September 19, 2014 at 4:02 am:

>>Not a fan of the video posted and don't want to spend the time and effort discussing the topic. Loren has his opinion and l have mine, so be it.<<

Is the reason why you don't want to discuss it is because you cannot refute it and it goes against your belief system?

>>One thing l am curious to know is if Loren Lockman thinks we evolved from apes/monkeys etc. I have some suspicions that he might.<<

Hey TSM, are we Primates or Aliens?

Do we not have the anatomy of a Primate?

Have you ever really studied Evolution?

If not, you’ll like AronRa’s 15 Falsehoods.

Snippets from below...

"First, it was never supposed that we evolved from any ape species still alive today."

"So where is the proof that humans descend from apes? How about the fact that we’re still apes right now!"

All 15 Falsehoods are worth watching, especially the 10th Falsehood!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&gl=GB&v=Qfoje7jVJpU&hl=en-GB
9th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: “No transitional species have ever been found.”
10:31 Minute Video

[This part of the Video is also worth watching!]

...

6:28 MM
“By the way, the missing link? It’s still missing!”

No it isn’t. Hasn’t been for a long time now. There was a missing link in 1859 when there were only two species of humans yet known in the fossil record, and no intermediate fossils to link them with any of the other apes we knew of at that time. Since then, we’ve found the fossils of thousands of individuals of dozens of hominid species, many of which provide a definite link to the other apes. But there were two particular pieces predicted to complete the puzzle:

First, it was never supposed that we evolved from any ape species still alive today. Instead the theory held that chimpanzees and humans were sibling species, daughters of the same mother. So the first link we needed to find was an ancient ape apparently basal to either of us –to prove there was a potential progenitor of both groups. We had already found that link in Europe five years before Darwin went public. So we already had an evident “chain” of transitional species from which only one more “link” was needed.

The theory then required that another extinct hominid be found in strata chronologically between the Miocene Dryopithecus fontana and the earliest known human species, which from 1891 to 1961, was Homo erectus. We’ve found lots of candidates, as many as fifty species of apes which are now all extinct. But more than that, the theory also demanded that we find one “half-way” between humans and other apes in terms of morphology. We found exactly that too way back in 1974. Australopithecus afarensis proved to be a fully bi-pedal ape who’s hands, feet, teeth, pelvis, skull, and other physical details were exactly what creationists challenged us to find, yet they’re still pretending we never found it.

But worse than that, we didn’t just find that one. In 1977, three years after we discovered the no-longer-missing link in the human evolutionary lineage, Harvard paleontologist, Stephen J. Gould mentioned an “extreme rarity” of other clear transitions persistent in the fossil record ‘til that time, and his comment, -taken out of context- remains a favorite of creationist quote-miners to this day. But in the more than 30 years since then, there has been a paleontological boon such that we now have way more transitional species in many more lineages than we ever needed or hoped for.

Now the problem for evolution is that there are too many contenders, while a compounding problem for creationists is that not even one of them should exist if their story was true. And yet they do –by the bushelful! Despite their complaints to the contrary, the intermediate gradations in the human evolutionary line are now so fine that paleoanthropologists can’t agree whether they’re all different species or merely mildly modified varieties of the same ones, such that there are no more links needed for human evolution anymore.

But creationists still say we’ve never found anything that was “half-ape and half-human”. Adhering always to black or white absolutes, and being thus unwilling to admit any degree of variance other than 100% or zero, they make sure to divide every find into one of two boxes even when they can’t make up their minds which side of that imaginary partition each one belongs to.

Demanding an “ape-man” is actually just as silly as asking to see a mammal-man, or a half-human, half-vertebrate. How about a half dachshund, half dog? It’s the same thing. One may as well insist on seeing a town half way between Los Angeles and California. Because the problem with bridging the gap between humans and apes is that there is no gap because humans ARE apes –definitely and definitively. The word, “ape” doesn’t refer to a species, but to a parent category of collective species, and we’re included. This is no arbitrary classification like the creationists use. It was first determined via meticulous physical analysis by Christian scientists a century before Darwin, and has been confirmed in recent years with new revelations in genetics. Furthermore, it is impossible to define all the characters exclusively indicative of every known member of the family of apes without describing our own genera as one among them. Consequently, we can and have proven that humans are apes in exactly the same way that lions are cats, and iguanas are lizards, and whales are mammals. So where is the proof that humans descend from apes? How about the fact that we’re still apes right now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&gl=GB&v=Qfoje7jVJpU&hl=en-GB

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