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From: ddcass (
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Date: September 16, 2014 at 2:00 am PST

In Reply to: I like your posts ddcass posted by gary on September 15, 2014 at 7:28 pm:

I'm sure we agree on more than we disagree. I disagree with you though on this. I knew by doing research before all of this that he would not stop a fast if a condition like this arose. When the lady who died in the hospital from an infection in her mouth during a fast, doug told her not to go to the hospital and to keep fasting. Everything I have personally researched on hygienic fasting indicates to me that the faster will see any sign of distress to the body as act of "healing" Everything I ever heard doug say about fasting indicates this. Leah said clear as day that she heard doug say he let a faster keep fasting with bloody diaria for 40 days and when he was done his condition was healed. I'm sure he was severely dehydrated as well. If she did a LITTLE research she would know that he does not do blood tests. So how would he possibly know the difference between signs of detox or a "healing crisis" I'm not defending doug, I wouldn't follow his methods of fasting. I don't think he was purposely negligent, I think he was following his thick headed barbaric values. He should have been even more clear on his methods of fasting as well. But if I knew how he fasts people by doing research, she could have as well and should have. I do understand her urgency because I had the same condition as her. But she was probably in no life threatening rush and did NO research at all. If you do any research on you will see disclaimers that you should do a medical fast and not a hygeinic fast if fasting for an extended period of time. There are lots of stories on 30 bad about risks of fasting. Even on this forum in dougs own words you get the idea of how he fasts and his lectures even spell it out. Loren Lockman has a video explaining the difference between med fasting and hygeinic fasting. Mcdougall and Furman stress Medical Fasting. She could have done a google search for deaths at dougs fasting retreat and so-on and so-on endlessly. Of course I agree with you she could not tell 100% of what would have happened even with doing all the research in the world. But my 2 points are that she could have done some research and that research would have gave her the knowledge to make a better educated self responsible decision and my second point is that anyone considering fasting should do a LOT more than just a little research and we can learn a lot from her mistakes and should. And by the way I am not putting her down in any way either I think she did a lot of great things. I just don't think she's sending the greatest message to the youngsters out there. Her conclusion is basically don't fast with doug cause he doesn't test blood. So med fasting is obviously her conclusion. This is NOT the lesson I am learning from her experience, my lesson to the world would be research EVERYTHING, don't just go do a med fast and not do any research on that either. Do LOTS of research and if you decide to go after doing lots of research to a place like true north ask them lots of questions before even deciding to go. I really don't want to seem like Im arguing with you either, I am adamant about this whole issue though incase young people are reading any of my posts, I just want them to use their head and research like crazy about everything that could possibly kill them. I'd be dead if I didn't do lots of research thats why I'm looking at it from this angle, I don't want innocent people to die and exposing people is GREAT but learning to take personal responsibility and researching is just as good if not better in my opinion.

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