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From: John Rose (68.93.65.58)
Subject:         Re: JR is correct
Date: September 10, 2014 at 8:45 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: JR is correct posted by gary on September 10, 2014 at 7:41 pm:

Thanks Gary,

I took really good notes on the Video that this Video came from and starts at the 1:55:55 MM and ends at the 2:10:40 MM below, but it's best to start at the 1:52:13 MM (and people call me ignorant!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kKlt-bMaoc
9/11 - Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out, Full-length
2:15:21 Minute Video

JR’s Notes:

6:55 MM
World Trade Center 7
1 - A Third High-Rise Came Down That Day

14:42 MM
World Trade Center 7
2 - Destruction of Evidence

19:22 MM
World Trade Center 7
3 - A Federal Investigation that Ignored the Facts

27:24 MM
World Trade Center 7
4 - Fully Engulfed in Fire?

33:55 MM
World Trade Center 7
5 - 47 Stories in 7 Seconds

42:15 MM
World Trade Center 7
6 - Unnatural Symmetry

43:21 MM
“The Symmetry is the Smoking Gun. It cannot happen that when you have Asymmetric Damage, you will get a perfectly Symmetrical Collapse.” -Kathy McGrade B.S.

46:26 MM
World Trade Center 7
7 - Virtual Unreality: NIST’s Computer Animations

NIST provided Computer Animations to support of their Fire Collapse Theory, but what do Independent Engineers say about these Animations?

49:00 MM
World Trade Center 7
8 - Experts Agree

50:55 MM
World Trade Center - Twin Towers
1 - The Myth Unravels

56:15 MM
World Trade Center - Twin Towers
2 - Sudden Onset of Destruction

1:04:05 MM
World Trade Center - Twin Towers
3 - Constant Acceleration

1:09:45 MM
World Trade Center - Twin Towers
4 - Eyewitness Reports of Explosions

1:14:25 MM
World Trade Center - Twin Towers
5 - Direct Evidence of Explosions

1:20:15 MM
World Trade Center - Twin Towers
6 - Melted Steel Beams and Molten Iron

1:30:36 MM
World Trade Center - Twin Towers
7 - Iron Microsheres Confirm Unexplained Extreme Temperatures

1:33:23 MM
World Trade Center - Twin Towers
8 - High-Tech Incendiaries in the WTC Dust

1:39:15 MM
World Trade Center - Twin Towers
9 - Experts Agree

1:46:10 MM
World Trade Center - Twin Towers
10 - The Next Logical Step

1:52:13 MM
Seeking Understanding
9/11: Coming to Terms

Most of us who have lived with the events of 9/11 have, as a result, experienced some kind of Trauma. It can be very difficult to come to terms with what actually happened at the World Trade Center. In fact, someone told me recently - I wouldn’t believe what you’re telling me even if it were True. Our Petition Signers with Psychological Expertise have stepped forward to offer their insight. While this section is clearly outside the Knowledge base of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth these Experts in Psychology highlight their valuable experience for us as to why this Evidence can still be so difficult for people to accept.

1:52:55 MM
“At this point we have 9 years of hard Scientific Evidence that Dis-Proves the Government Theory about what happened on September 11th and yet, people continue to be either oblivious to the fact that this Information exists or are completely resistant to looking at this Information. So the Question becomes - why, why is it that people have so much trouble hearing this Information? From my work I think people would be remiss not to look at the impact of Trauma. My name is Marti Hopper and I’m a Ph.D. Psychologist and I’ve been working and living for the past 30 years here in Bolder Colorado. For the past 11 years my work has focused on helping people who have experienced personal Trauma. Now as we know the horrors that happened were televised all over the world and they were, in fact, televised live. We witnessed the deaths of almost 3,000 of our fellow Americans. We know this had a very severe and Traumatic impact on a large majority of the population. I myself cried for weeks after September 11th. A friend of mine, who is a Psychologist and has a practice here in Bolder, said that her case load increased tremendously after 9/11 and people she hadn’t seen in 10 years were coming back into her practice. So I think it’s safe to say that, Collectively as a Nation, because of what happened on September 11th we experienced Trauma.” -Marti Hopper, Ph.D.

“I’m Fran Shure and I have a Master’s Degree from the University of Colorado. I have a private practice as a Psychotherapist and am a licensed Professional Counselor for about 20 years. Why do people resist this Information - the information that shows the Official Story about 9/11 cannot be True? What I’ve learned is that, as humans, each of us have a World View and that World View is usually formed in great part by the Culture that we grow up in. When we hear Information that Contradicts our World View, Social Psychologists call the resulting Insecurity - Cognitive Dissonance. For example, with 9/11 we have one Cognition which is what the Official Story of 9/11 - what our Government told us - what our Media repeated to us over and over - that 19 Muslims attacked us. On the other hand, we have what Scientists, Researchers, Architects, Engineers are now beginning to tell us, which is that there is Evidence that shows that the Official Story CANNOT be True. So now, we’ve Lost our Sense of Security. We are starting to Feel Vulnerable. Now we’re Confused.” -Frances Shure, M.A.

“9/11 Truth challenges some of our most fundamental Beliefs about our Government and about our Country. When your Beliefs are challenged or when 2 Beliefs are Inconsistent, Cognitive Dissonance is created. 9/11 Truth challenges the Beliefs that our Country protects us and keeps us safe and that America is the Good Guy. My name is Bob Hopper and I have a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Cincinnati. For the past 29 years, I’ve been a licensed Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist in Bolder Colorado. When your Beliefs are challenged, Fear and Anxiety are created. In response to that, our Psychological Defenses kick in and they protect us from these Emotions. Denial, which is probably the most Primitive Psychological Defense, is the one most likely to kick in when our Beliefs are challenged.” -Robert Hopper, Ph.D.

I’m Danielle Duperet, Ph.D. originally from Switzerland where I studied Psychology and Psycho-Analysis. For the past 15 years, I’ve been empowering people who have experienced significant Trauma. America is a powerful Nation. It has never been attacked. We were confident, we felt secure and all of a sudden that security collapsed. People started to be Fearful with all those rumors and news - people didn’t know what to think about and it’s a very, very Uncomfortable State to be in. And eventually, our Mind Shuts Off, just like when a computer is overloaded, our Minds get overloaded - we can’t handle it anymore and we Shut Down. It’s easier to Deny it and move on with our lives.” -Danielle Duperet, Ph.D.

What some of us tend to do is Deny the Evidence that’s coming our way and stick to the Original Story - the Official Story and to try to regain our equilibrium that way. Another thing we can do is decide to look at the Conflicting Evidence and be sincere and be Open Minded and look at both Sides of the Issue and then, make up our own mind about what Reality is.” [JR: One-Valued Logic vs. Two-Valued Logic] -Marti Hopper, Ph.D.

I’m Dorothy Lorig - I have a Master’s Degree in Counseling Psychology from the University of Colorado and I’ve been practicing Revaluation Counseling for over 16 years. If we can think of our World View as being sort of our Mental and Emotional Home, I think all of us will do just about anything to Defend our Homes, to Defend our Families and so I see that with people and I saw this with myself when my brother tried to talk with me about it. Don’t mess with me. Don’t mess with my home. Don’t mess with my comfort with how things are. In about a week later, I read a lengthy article by Professor Griffin about why he believes the Official Account of 9/11 CANNOT be True. And it was a very well researched article and I was in my office at that time. I sat there and I felt my stomach churning. I thought maybe I was going to be sick and I leaped out of my chair and ran out the door and took a long walk around the block, around several blocks and just broke down. I understand now that what was happening was my World View about my Government being in some way my protector, almost like a parent, had been dashed and it was like being cast out into the wilderness - I think is the closest way to describe that Feeling and I sobbed and I sobbed - felt like the ground had completely disappeared beneath my feet and I knew at some point during the walk that I knew that I was going to have to become active in educating other people about this - that for me to retain any sense of integrity I was going to have to take some action - I couldn’t just let something like this go.” - Dorothy Lorig, M.A.

2:00:02 MM
“Many people respond to these Truths in a very deep way. Some have a Visceral Reaction, like they’ve been punched in the stomach. To begin to Accept Responsibility that the Government was Involved is like Opening Pandora’s Box. If you Open the Lid and peak in a little bit, it’s going to challenge some of your Fundamental Beliefs about the World.” -Robert Hopper, Ph.D.

“Here are a few of those Spontaneous Initial Reactions to Hearing the Contradictory Evidence about 9/11:

‘I don’t want to know the Truth or I would become too Negative and Psychologically Go Downhill.’

‘I’m not sure I want to know. If this is True, than Up would be Down and Down would be Up - my life would never be the same.’

‘Fran, I refuse to believe that that many Americans could be that Treasonous someone would have talked.’

But these are Beliefs - they are Not Scientific Facts. But these Beliefs do keep us from looking at the Empirical Evidence.” -Frances Shure, M.A.

“I’m David Ray Griffin - I taught Philosophy, Religion and Theology at the Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University. I published about 35 Books in my Field, but then, starting in 2004 I started publishing about 9/11 and since that time, I have published 10 Books about 9/11. You have Empirical people who will simply say, look at the Evidence and if it’s Convincing, I will Change my Mind. Other people are Paradigmatic people - they have a Paradigm. They say this is the Way the World Works and I’m Convinced this is the Right Way the World Works - 9/11 doesn’t Fit into that Paradigm, so I don’t need to look at the Evidence - it’s Paradigmatic. And then, there’s a 3rd type of person that we often call Wishful Thinkers - I call it Wishful and Fearful Thinking. So they simply will Not Believe something that they Fear to be the Truth and I found that maybe the most Powerful Factor of people Rejecting 9/11 Truth and Not even entertaining the Evidence.” -David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.

“So whenever we say, I Refuse to Believe, we can be sure that the Evidence coming our way is Not Bearable and it’s Conflicting with our World View much too much.” -Frances Shure, M.A.

“Denial protects people from this kind of Anxiety.” -Robert Hopper, Ph.D.

“As I thought about all of these Responses, I realized that what is Common to every one of them is the Emotion of Fear. People are Afraid of being Ostracized, they’re Afraid of being Alienated, they’re Afraid of being Shunned, they’re Afraid of their Lives being Inconvenienced - they’d have to Change their Lives, they’re Afraid of being Confused, they’re Afraid of Psychological Deterioration, they’re Afraid of Feeling Helpless and Vulnerable and they’re Afraid they won’t be Able to handle the Feelings that are coming up. None of us want to Feel Helpless and Vulnerable, so we want to Defend ourselves and the way we often do that is with Anger. So then, we become Angry and when we become Angry, then we become Indignant, we become Offended, we want to Ridicule the Messenger, we want to Pathologize the Messenger and we want to CENSOR the Messenger.” -Frances Shure, M.A.

“So how can we overcome this Resistance and Denial? The first thing is to meet people where they’re at.” -Robert Hopper, Ph.D.

“One thing is that we need to raise people’s Awareness about this through what I would call gentle dialogue and gentle Questioning. My name is John Freedom - I’m a Counselor in Private Practice here in Tucson Arizona where I’ve been for the last 20 years. I hold a Master’s Level Certification in NLP, which is Neuro-Linguistic Programming. So it doesn’t work to challenge people’s Belief where you immediately tell them I know the Truth about 9/11, but a good way is to ask Open Ended Questions and lead them into a dialogue and discussion about it.” -John Freedom, M.A.

“Healing comes through Facing the Truth, Experiencing it, allowing the Feelings to come in, so if there are Feelings of Fear that perhaps these Events were Caused by something we haven’t thought about yet, Dark Elements within our Society, for example, we let that come in and explore it. Let the Light Shine on whatever happened. This will be the most Healing Process. The Germans did this after their War. The East South Africans did this after Apartheid. Reconciliation through the Truth is a Deep Path to Psychological Recovery from the Myths and Lies around which this Historical Event has been Cloaked in the Official View. I am Professor William Woodward - I’m trained in the History of Science with a Ph.D. - I also have a Masters in Experimental Psychology - I’ve edited 4 Books and published well over 20 Peer Reviewed Papers - I’ve taught for 35 years at a State University - the University of New Hampshire and I think as a Psychologist, to overcome our Fear of the Traumatic Event with New Information would be the best, Healthiest route to our Collective Recovery from the Trauma of 9/11. That, by the way, is a Psycho-Therapeutic Insight that to gradually Uncover the Truth in your own Life, the Sources of Anxiety, to make them Conscious is the Royal Road to Recovery.” -William Woodward, Ph.D.

“One of the ways to deal with Trauma is to find the Answers of such importance to have a comprehensive Investigation.” -Danielle Duperet, Ph.D.

“To work together to Expose what happened regardless where the Evidence takes us. That’s what we expect in our State Government - Law Enforcement. I think by putting Science down there with Psychological Healing around the impossible Cognition that has been produced on that day.” -William Woodward, Ph.D.

“I believe that to be the kind of Country that we think we are we have to face some of the things that are Not as we think they are. I’m Robert Griffin and a Licensed Psychologist practicing in Pennsylvania for 25 years. I’m a member of Psychologists for Social Responsibility and I am past President of the North Eastern Pennsylvania Psychological Association. After World War II, part of the way that Jewish people honored the dead was by making sure that the Truth was known and that the value of these people was Respected. Not pursing the Truth about 9/11 disrespects the value of the life of the people that died. Thinking that we’re above such things - that it could happen in other Countries, but it couldn’t happen here - that’s a Lack of Humility and that’s excessive Pride. And so, not being able to see our Dark Side or our Weaknesses is the most dangerous thing.” -Robert Griffin, Licensed Psychologist

“The observation that Pride is one of the basic Human Flaws is absolutely Correct. This is especially True for Americans because we for a long time looked at other Nations and say, oh, they’re in such bad shape, but luckily, we don’t have those problems. We don’t have leaders who would do those things that were done in the Soviet Union or done in Germany or done in Japan and on down the list.

So this is a type of Pride that Americans have. A feature of American History that makes us particularly liable to this Pride is this notion and it’s called Exceptionalism - that America is the Exceptional Nation. And that began from the beginning as this Country was formed and the people would say, well, there was so much Evil in European Countries, so much cheating, so much lying, so much using the people for the Rulers purposes, but Not in America. We have Leaders that are Free from those Sins. So I think this has made 9/11 particularly difficult for Americans.” -David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.

2:09:57 MM
“Anyone can make Mistakes, but our Ideals or Principles get us back on track.” -Robert Griffin, Licensed Psychologist

“This is one of the defining issues of our time.” -John Freedom, M.A.

“So we need to understand that Questioning is Patriotic. Questioning is what we’re supposed to do as citizens - that’s our Duty.” -Robert Griffin, Licensed Psychologist

“When we come to the National Level, when something like 9/11 happens, we need to be sure that we have a Real Investigation into who the perpetrators are and then, we need to be sure that those perpetrators are held legally accountable. It’s part of the Healing Process on the Individual Level, as on the Collective Level. We need the Truth in order to Heal.” -Frances Shure, M.A.

2:10:40 MM
Seeking Understanding
9/11: Too Close to Home

Ten years later, the deep wounds from 9/11 have yet to Heal. Nothing hits closer to home than the Loss that these family members continue to endure, along with the torment of their Unanswered Questions.

“My name is Bob Mcllvaine I’m from right outside the Philadelphia area and I am the father of Bobbie Mcllvaine who was Killed in the Lobby of the North Tower on September 11th 2001. But I’ve been searching for the Truth to exactly what happened to Bobbie and Bobbie is an interesting Story. Bobbie was 1 of the 1st 10 Bodies that were found. We took him home that week. Well, I finally found the doctor who examined him. He gave me an Outline of a Body and he described all of the Injuries he had. But the fact is that all of his Injuries were in the Face, the Front of his Face, his Face was Blown Off, massive Cuts in his Chest and his Right Arm was Blown Off. To me, that means EXPLOSION.” -Bob Mcllvaine 2:11:41 MM

JR’s Recap:

Trauma - Cognitive Dissonance - Fear and Anxiety - Denial - Lack of Humility - Pride - Exceptionalism - Denial protects people from this kind of Anxiety

While this section is clearly outside the Knowledge base of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth these Experts in Psychology highlight their valuable experience for us as to why this Evidence can still be so difficult for people to accept.

At this point we have 9 years of hard Scientific Evidence that Dis-Proves the Government Theory about what happened on September 11th and yet, people continue to be either oblivious to the fact that this Information exists or are completely resistant to looking at this Information. So the Question becomes - why, why is it that people have so much trouble hearing this Information? From my work I think people would be remiss not to look at the impact of Trauma.

Why do people resist this Information - the information that shows the Official Story about 9/11 cannot be True? What I’ve learned is that, as humans, each of us have a World View and that World View is usually formed in great part by the Culture that we grow up in. When we hear Information that Contradicts our World View, Social Psychologists call the resulting Insecurity - Cognitive Dissonance.

9/11 Truth challenges some of our most fundamental Beliefs about our Government and about our Country. When your Beliefs are challenged or when 2 Beliefs are Inconsistent, Cognitive Dissonance is created. 9/11 Truth challenges the Beliefs that our Country protects us and keeps us safe and that America is the Good Guy.

When your Beliefs are challenged, Fear and Anxiety are created. In response to that, our Psychological Defenses kick in and they protect us from these Emotions. Denial, which is probably the most Primitive Psychological Defense, is the one most likely to kick in when our Beliefs are challenged.

And eventually, our Mind Shuts Off, just like when a computer is overloaded, our Minds get overloaded - we can’t handle it anymore and we Shut Down. It’s easier to Deny it and move on with our lives.

If we can think of our World View as being sort of our Mental and Emotional Home, I think all of us will do just about anything to Defend our Homes, to Defend our Families and so I see that with people and I saw this with myself when my brother tried to talk with me about it. Don’t mess with me. Don’t mess with my home. Don’t mess with my comfort with how things are.

Many people respond to these Truths in a very deep way. Some have a Visceral Reaction, like they’ve been punched in the stomach. To begin to Accept Responsibility that the Government was Involved is like Opening Pandora’s Box. If you Open the Lid and peak in a little bit, it’s going to challenge some of your Fundamental Beliefs about the World.

But these are Beliefs - they are Not Scientific Facts. But these Beliefs do keep us from looking at the Empirical Evidence.

You have Empirical people who will simply say, look at the Evidence and if it’s Convincing, I will Change my Mind. Other people are Paradigmatic people - they have a Paradigm. They say this is the Way the World Works and I’m Convinced this is the Right Way the World Works - 9/11 doesn’t Fit into that Paradigm, so I don’t need to look at the Evidence - it’s Paradigmatic. And then, there’s a 3rd type of person that we often call Wishful Thinkers - I call it Wishful and Fearful Thinking. So they simply will Not Believe something that they Fear to be the Truth and I found that maybe the most Powerful Factor of people Rejecting 9/11 Truth and Not even entertaining the Evidence.

So whenever we say, I Refuse to Believe, we can be sure that the Evidence coming our way is Not Bearable and it’s Conflicting with our World View much too much.

Denial protects people from this kind of Anxiety.

As I thought about all of these Responses, I realized that what is Common to every one of them is the Emotion of Fear. People are Afraid of being Ostracized, they’re Afraid of being Alienated, they’re Afraid of being Shunned, they’re Afraid of their Lives being Inconvenienced - they’d have to Change their Lives, they’re Afraid of being Confused, they’re Afraid of Psychological Deterioration, they’re Afraid of Feeling Helpless and Vulnerable and they’re Afraid they won’t be Able to handle the Feelings that are coming up. None of us want to Feel Helpless and Vulnerable, so we want to Defend ourselves and the way we often do that is with Anger. So then, we become Angry and when we become Angry, then we become Indignant, we become Offended, we want to Ridicule the Messenger, we want to Pathologize the Messenger and we want to CENSOR the Messenger.

…to overcome our Fear of the Traumatic Event with New Information would be the best, Healthiest route to our Collective Recovery from the Trauma of 9/11.

Thinking that we’re above such things - that it could happen in other Countries, but it couldn’t happen here - that’s a Lack of Humility and that’s excessive Pride. And so, not being able to see our Dark Side or our Weaknesses is the most dangerous thing.

The observation that Pride is one of the basic Human Flaws is absolutely Correct. This is especially True for Americans because we for a long time looked at other Nations and say, oh, they’re in such bad shape, but luckily, we don’t have those problems. We don’t have leaders who would do those things that were done in the Soviet Union or done in Germany or done in Japan and on down the list.

So this is a type of Pride that Americans have. A feature of American History that makes us particularly liable to this Pride is this notion and it’s called Exceptionalism - that America is the Exceptional Nation. And that began from the beginning as this Country was formed and the people would say, well, there was so much Evil in European Countries, so much cheating, so much lying, so much using the people for the Rulers purposes, but Not in America. We have Leaders that are Free from those Sins. So I think this has made 9/11 particularly difficult for Americans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kKlt-bMaoc

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