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From: MM (
Subject:         Re: What works for me...
Date: September 10, 2014 at 4:51 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: What works for me... posted by lurker on September 10, 2014 at 4:38 pm:

I think part of the mistake and struggle comes
from the assertion by some that raw food heals us
on an emotional and spiritual level.

While I have found it HELPS in those levels, one
can be very sick emotionally and spiritually and
eat very healthy food.

In fact one can be obsessive about health foods
BECAUSE of their perfectionism and need for

So, the two are separate issues.

Speaking of Hitler, Dr. Max Gerson said that
before he fled Germany, Hitler had wanted to use
Gerson's diet (which was a low-fat vegan diet
high in raw juices) for his army to make them

So it's almost an Adult Child of an Alcoholic
need for approval/perfectionism issue and,
instead of workaholism, they are over-achieving
athletes and needing to have perfect bodies as
their identities.

The healthy way of approaching raw food is to be
in balance and have good energy to go about in
the world and not numb out feelings and to use
other means for addressing feelings rather than

Think of good health, exercise, stretching, raw
food, etc, as all part of self-care.

It's like sex: sex can be extremely nurturing or
it can become an obsessive compulsive way of
numbing out and getting approval.

It's how we USE it. Same with food.

I think a lot of these people you are referring
to still have a lot of deep healing to do on a
very deep level that still needs to take place
that is separate from their athletic endeavors
and food choices.

Hope that helps.

In fact, food can be used as a form of trying to
control one's life when it feels like the rest of
it is out of control and then it becomes an
identity to become competitive with and gain
feelings of superiority over to mask deep inner

Also, when one is an "angry vegan" it's often
displaced anger from previous abuse issues and
they are taking up the cause of the wounded
animal because they didn't have someone stick up
for them when they were younger and getting

Does that give some insight as to where these
individuals might be coming from?

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