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From: Dr Gosia O'Reilly (
Subject:         Re: question for you gosia
Date: September 6, 2014 at 8:19 am PST

In Reply to: question for you gosia posted by gary on September 6, 2014 at 2:57 am:

OK, I will try to explain.

I see no problem with raw till 4 or raw till 5 or raw till 6 etc. It is up to an individual whether they choose to eat raw at all, and if they choose to eat some raw, what is the proportion of raw they are going to include and when. Personally, I prefer to aim at Raw for 24. When I first went raw, this is what aimed, gradually getting better at it. There is an old, well-known tip for newbies to first leave their last meal of the day cooked, in their transition to raw. So raw till 4 is just a phrase for the old tip. The number 4 is of no particular significance here.

Now, note that raw till 4 is promoted as a 'program' and this is where this discussion is being brought to a completely different level. The problem with a 'program' is that it can potentially be harmful, especially if it is limited in its scope and is led by someone with little insight in relation to individual differences and needs, and how important is to respect them.

In this case, this program is the product promoted by 30bad business, who I have a lot of reservations about based on my long-term observations of their way of operating. The amount of discussions about this, people involved in them, effort spent in trying to explain and address these issues is beyond overwhelming. Frankly, I lost hope that these would be heard. This culminated in my departure from their forum in 2012, which I mention in my article ( If you visit that page, please also pay attention to other concerns, keywords such as bullying, trolling, threats etc. These are also concerns to me, but I am not going to go into these here.

In brief, telling people that they have to follow certain rules, censoring negative stories of those who struggle with a 'program', claiming that the giver of the advice cannot possibly wrong, but it is the person's fault, should anything go wrong, is in my view a completely incompetent and unacceptable way of operating.

So far, I have not seen enough to reassure me that this has changed. Of course, I would hope that it did occur and look forward to seeing the evidence of it.


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