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From: John Rose (68.93.65.58)
Subject:         Re: If the Ideal CANNOT be Realized in Every DetailÖ
Date: September 5, 2014 at 4:55 am PST

In Reply to: Re: If the Ideal CANNOT be Realized in Every DetailÖ posted by BJ on September 4, 2014 at 5:40 pm:

>>John, you posted a Common Errors of Natural Hygiene post on the other board. Did you bother reading it? You seem to have tunnel vision and only see what you want to see and ignore the real world around you.<<

Hey BJ,

In all honesty, I really donít know what to say to you anymore since weíve had this conversation many times before and this will be my last attempt.

Yes, I read the article and like everything else I read, I read it more than once and I highlighted it and I posted it because it reinforces what I call the Science and Art of Healing or the Science and Art of Solving Problems that are 100% Within our Control, which I have tried to explain to you on more than one occasion - see below.

I also recently posted my version of Biological Individuality here on this Message Board under the post entitled - The FLAWS in Natural Hygiene!!!!!! http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/100048876.html


Here are a couple of Posts where I tried to explain all of this to you beforeÖ

http://www.raw...foodsupport.com/read.php?2,220091,220356#msg-220356
Re: Scientific American Raw Food Article
Posted by: John Rose
Date: January 22, 2013 08:02PM

BJ, like many, you assume way too much.

Iíve read all of your posts since you logged on as BJ and it sounds like you might have been around when I first started posting 13 years ago.

Is this true and if so, who are you so I can understand why youíre so angry?

And if you were around 13 years ago, do you remember the rift between people who were 100% and those who werenít. It seems that nothing has changed and I really donít understand why people who are not 100% are so angry at those of us who are. Sure, if I was one of those narrowed minded Fools and didnít understand the difference between the Science and the Art of Healing, then itís easy to understand the conflict because I would be offended too.

However, I do understand the difference between the Science and the Art of Healing and I am Not in the same group of people who I have seen you attack like DG and DR. Once again, you assume way too much. SIGH!!!

What I find interesting, is how you donít protest against those who say itís impossible to be 100% and that Juice Fasting/Feasting doesnít work because it didnít work for them and then, you want to jump all over those who say it can work if you understand the Ripple Effect.

So who are you and why are you so angry (keeping in mind that I am NOT one of those Dogmatic Raw Foodists who you seem to think I am)?
http://www.raw...foodsupport.com/read.php?2,220091,220356#msg-220356


http://www.raw...foodsupport.com/read.php?2,220091,page=4
Re: Scientific American Raw Food Article
Posted by: John Rose
Date: January 23, 2013 09:12AM

Hey BJ,

I am NOT insisting and have NEVER insisted that everyone has to be 100% and I donít look down on those who are not for whatever reason. However, I do insist, just like you, that some people can THRIVE on the diet we Evolved on and when anyone starts attacking the TRUTH, I come to its defense!

In one breathe, you say ďYou yourself posted that many people are born with temporary or permanently damaged bodiesĒ and then in another breathe, you say, ďWhat about telling people that Ďif you are not born with a fantastically strong body then there is a chance that the 100% raw may not work for you, and if it doesn't, then you can still eat mainly raw.íĒ

When I talk about Temporary Impairment and Permanent Damage, that is what I call the Art of Healing, however, most of this occurs after birth because we have Not been Eating Foods that we are Biologically Adapted to Eat. The classic example of Permanent Damage that everyone uses is what has happened to the Norwegian people who have been eating so much fish over the millennium that their bodies are no longer able to make their own DHA, which is a Level 2 Nutrient that healthy people can make. But this type of Damage can also happen within anyoneís lifetime once they are born if they too start Eating Foods that we are Not Biologically Adapted to Eat. However, this type of Damage, in most cases, is only Temporary and what doesnít work in the beginning on our Journey for a better Life does work down the road, which is why I always tell people to be Flexible and NOT to be Dogmatic, which is what you keep accusing me of doing.

>>I only come on this board to help other people avoid making the same mistakes I and many others made in the pre-internet days where there was no way to get any real feedback.<<

Yes, this type of Feedback is priceless, however, some people, like powerlier, come here with their Experience and expertise and act like everyone has the same problems that they had. As Iíve mentioned, this is what I call the Art and itís an Art for a very good reason because you canít assume that the problems you have are the problems everyone else is having even if your symptoms are similar. Itís these types of people who are guilty of using the One Tool Mentality and donít understand that you have to use the Science with the Art. [I just now noticed I typed powerlier instead of powerlifer - too funny.]

Yes, we want to share our Experiences and expertise, but donít do it in the Dogmatic Fashion as those who only understand the Science and Not the Art. I canít stand Dogma in any way, which is why I have come up with the Science and Art of Healing.

>>What about telling people both sides of the story? That just because you can't succeed on a 100% raw that you are a failure, that you should feel guilty, that cooked food is poison!<<

So as you can see BJ, I do tell both sides of the Story and once again, I call it the Science and Art of Healing and as I pointed out above, ďI am NOT insisting and have NEVER insisted that everyone has to be 100% and I donít look down on those who are not for whatever reason.Ē Believe me I understand!!! In fact, I produced a 93 Minute Instructional Video in 1999 where I have 9 Programs, 2 of which are NOT 100% Raw and I also have 3 Factors that determine which Program to choose and 1 of those 3 Factors are to Change as fast as your body will allow you primarily because of the Temporary Impairment and/or Permanent Damage.

>>It's just like the good old days of 13 years ago. Maybe i need to stop posting!!!<<

Itís these types of misunderstandings that made me stop posting here years ago, but Iíve come back to see where the Raw Food Community is at and whether they too will Shut Down their Frontal Lobe when confronted with Knowledge they donít want to accept, just like most people donít want to accept that they must LIMIT their Food Selections. Sadly, most people canít handle the Truth and Iím still struggling to come up with a clever way to Wake Up the Masses. I originally disguised this Message as The Ultimate Weight Loss Program, but I want to appeal to everyone because the Ultimate Solution to every one of our Problems that are Within Our Control wonít work unless everyone does it.

Anyway, the point I want to make here is that we would not be having such a hard time understanding one another if we were having this conversation in person. On the Positive side, all of those who are new to this Way of Life can learn from our exchanges as long as we can act kindly to one another.

So are you going to tell me who you are so I might have a better understanding of where youíre coming from or is there a problem with that for some reason?

Peace and Love..........John
http://www.raw...foodsupport.com/read.php?2,220091,page=4


Hereís one more post where I explain that the Principles behind Natural Hygiene have to do with the Law of Cause & Effect and that there is a way to Screw Up the Law of Cause & Effect.

http://www.raw...foodsupport.com/read.php?2,236698,236770#msg-236770
Re: evidence that fruit/smoothies toxic poison
Posted by: John Rose
Date: February 14, 2014 09:54AM

>>And yes, the raw food leaders teach very bad habits like standing up when drinking smoothies and not chewing them.<<

Hey TSM,

ďNot Chewing SmoothiesĒ does NOT have to be taught, as almost everyone drinks them like a malted shake, but the point here is how many other people fail this diet simply because they do it WRONG?

In that Video that you posted in the OIL TO NUTS: The Truth About Fats Thread with Mark Handy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-as-09LNwkE , Mark consumed almost everything as a Smoothie and as Dr. Esselstyn pointed out in his Video that you posted, Esselstyn used this as an excuse for why Fruit is bad.

So no wonder Mark was having Energy and Blood Sugar Problems - he was doing it WRONG!

Once again, a lot of people fail this diet because they do it WRONG and I always cringe every time I hear Doug use this excuse because it's Not the only reason why so many people fail, but it is indeed a very good reason why a huge percentage of people fail. Take PL for example, he couldn't even figure out how to get 10% of his diet from Protein and since he always complains about NOT being able (or willing) to eat large salads, I doubt very seriously that he did the Diet part of this Protocol right. And, of course, Diet is Not the only Piece of this Puzzle and a lot of people fail because they were Not Satisfying all of their other basic Needs, like Exercise, and Sz or BJ are prime examples.

>>Maybe we should listen to the advice from the natural hygiene movement eh?<<

The Principles behind Natural Hygiene have to do with the Law of Cause & Effect, however, there is a way to screw up the Law of Cause & Effect and very few people have ever figured this out. Indeed, very few people understand that with the Law of Cause & Effect comes the Ripple Effect and Iíve tried to explain this to PL dozens of times, so if you search this website, youíll find dozens of my Posts explaining this in more detail.

So a lot of people fail because they were Not Satisfying all of their Essential Needs that are based on the Law of Cause & Effect, like Mark Handy, Sz, BJ and PL and then, a lot of people fail because they were Not Satisfying their Needs that are based on the Ripple Effect, like PL and Sz, just to name a few. These Needs that are based on the Ripple Effect have to do with the Damage that is done to our Anatomy and our Environment.

In other words, we have 2 Groups of Needs we must Satisfy and as I mentioned above, very few people understand that with the Law of Cause & Effect comes the Ripple Effect.

So it is possible to screw up the Law of Cause & Effect and this is the fundamental Flaw with most people who practice and preach Natural Hygiene. However, the vast majority of people on this planet Lack the Knowledge of How to Live so they, in effect, donít understand the Law of Cause & Effect and to pooh pooh Natural Hygiene is doing it a major injustice because if everyone followed Natural Hygiene, this world would be a zillion times better off and I guarantee that once enough of us started to Live this Way, we would realize that we also have to recognize the Ripple Effect.

Peace and Love..........John
http://www.raw...foodsupport.com/read.php?2,236698,236770#msg-236770

PS This website sucks in the way it will not allow certain words, so I had to add (...) in the URLs and to access those link you have to back out the (...).

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